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Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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The disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy and on-the-ground behavior diverge this consistently, it stops looking like individual misconduct and starts looking like a systems problem.

Oh, there's a systems problem for sure. I thought it's obvious to everyone.

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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The disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy and on-the-ground behavior diverge this consistently, it stops looking like individual misconduct and starts looking like a systems problem.

Laws don't matter in the US any more. Epstein files aren't being released even though there is law that requires. TikTok is still operating in the US even though there is law that bans it. Laws are only recommendations now.

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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to counter 2) ICE is not police. There is nothing differentiating them from armed thugs. No bages, no ID's, no faces etc. There is no reason to do ANYTHING these people ask. to counter 3) I would say there's a clear chick and egg here. ICE started behaving in a way that is now being met with an equal and opposite reactionary force. If ICE can stop acting like some SS wannabe force, the vigilantism goes away as well.…

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Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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Normally you’d be right but this is not that situation and I’m somewhat shocked you don’t realize it. Just today ICE raided a target. Arrested US citizens at random including minors. Then pushed them from moving trucks onto the highway. You need to understand what is happening. You think complying works? The social contract has been broken.

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Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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The disturbing part isn’t that bad encounters happen — it’s that these techniques are officially banned, yet keep showing up across unrelated cases. When policy and on-the-ground behavior diverge this consistently, it stops looking like individual misconduct and starts looking like a systems problem.

The purpose of a system is what it does. ICE is government-sponsored terrorism.

Incorrupt governments follow their own laws.

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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ICE isn't police.

ICE is federal law enforcement. You are not allowed to interfere in their operations when they are lawfully engaging in immigration enforcement activity. If you do, you will get arrested. This is just how the law works. They can't go after you for impeding traffic, but if you are interfering in their operations by impeding traffic, they can arrest you.

Re: Minor says ICE took his iPhone, later found in used-electronics vending machine

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(1) Can be true. However with the "Absolute immunity" rhetoric from VP, this seems unlikely in the current environment.

(2) If one officer is telling you to move on and the other officer is telling you to get out of the car and you need to listen to both, which one do you comply with?

(3) You can be a "Legal Observer" does not imply "Political vigilantism". The idea of a "Legal Observer" is laid out by National Lawyers Guild and to some extent, by ACLU.

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