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Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by jijijijij »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #6
toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

They’ll end up selling it to a German automaker who isn’t anti union. Tesla sales in Europe are mostly over and unlikely to recover, for obvious reasons. Musk did the Germans a favor, built a whole factory for them to buy at distressed pricing.

> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

> 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right.

Additionally, I think, social-darwinistic libertarianism is not exactly the best ideological foundation for a Mars colony :D

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by pstuart »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #8
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

Ego and lack of emotional intelligence is a hell of a thing. Global electrification continues without Tesla (~20% of global auto sales are EVs, ~50%+ in China, as of this comment), a casualty of hubris. https://ourworldindata.org/electric-car-sales https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/the-ev-leapfrog-how...

Drug abuse, boundless wealth, and surrounding yourself with sycophants can skew one's perception of reality.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

pstuart wrote: post #12
toomuchtodo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ego and lack of emotional intelligence is a hell of a thing. Global electrification continues without Tesla (~20% of global auto sales are EVs, ~50%+ in China, as of this comment), a casualty of hubris. https://ourworldindata.org/electric-car-sales https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/the-ev-leapfrog-how...

Drug abuse, boundless wealth, and surrounding yourself with sycophants can skew one's perception of reality.

He’s always been this person, the wealth just amplified it. Sometimes the wrong people fall into power. Sometimes we trust the wrong people. Most of life is luck.

Take the ketamine, wealth, and sycophants away, he will still be this person. But without the power. Human condition is tricky.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by nebula8804 »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #6
toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

They’ll end up selling it to a German automaker who isn’t anti union. Tesla sales in Europe are mostly over and unlikely to recover, for obvious reasons. Musk did the Germans a favor, built a whole factory for them to buy at distressed pricing.

> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

>and other car makes are slowing down or cancelling EV developments.

The sales didn't materialize plus they were forced to do so by governments and short term investors that saw Tesla's stock shoot up. Now GM is writing off ~7 billion dollars. Whats worse is when Dems take back the white house, they will force the automakers to go back to green again. This back and forth is going to lead to disaster.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by nebula8804 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #9
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. I believe a couple of things happened over the last few years that basically broke him. One factor may have been his daughter coming out as trans, and I have a feeling that another factor was a realization that his ambition to start a Mars colony w…

I mean his first wife(mother of that trans daughter) wrote the following about him in 2010:

"Still, there were warning signs. As we danced at our wedding reception, Elon told me, "I am the alpha in this relationship." I shrugged it off, just as I would later shrug off signing the postnuptial agreement, but as time went on, I learned that he was serious. He had grown up in the male-dominated culture of South Africa, and the will to compete and dominate that made him so successful in business did not magically shut off when he came home. This, and the vast economic imbalance between us, meant that in the months following our wedding, a certain dynamic began to take hold. Elon's judgment overruled mine, and he was constantly remarking on the ways he found me lacking. "I am your wife," I told him repeatedly, "not your employee."

"If you were my employee," he said just as often, "I would fire you.""

https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-start...

I was at /r/RealTesla when it began as an offshoot of /r/Teslamotors. A well known frequent critic of Tesla got banned and him and a bunch of other frustrated skeptics went off on their own.

The people in the auto and space industry were screaming from the rooftops about him for years. The Elon loving crowd were software techies who had no understanding and respect of the history of the auto and space industries totally ignored them.

I'm reminded from a quote from Bob Lutz, former vice chairman of GM (during the bankruptcy era): https://youtu.be/GXJnS9RgKsg?t=2686

Now to be fair to Tesla, they managed to attract tons of amazing talent that screwed up in some ways but produced absolute brilliance in many other ways.

Will Lutz ultimately be proven right just due to chance?(ie. Elon dropping the ball after everything that has transpired) I don't know really. In the end both pro and anti Tesla sides were right and wrong on many things.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by s1artibartfast »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #6
toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

They’ll end up selling it to a German automaker who isn’t anti union. Tesla sales in Europe are mostly over and unlikely to recover, for obvious reasons. Musk did the Germans a favor, built a whole factory for them to buy at distressed pricing.

> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

Re 1) I think it was basically reactionary escalation. He started falling out of favor with liberals in the late teens, took it personally, doubled down, and things ratcheted up from there.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by notyourwork »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #6
toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

They’ll end up selling it to a German automaker who isn’t anti union. Tesla sales in Europe are mostly over and unlikely to recover, for obvious reasons. Musk did the Germans a favor, built a whole factory for them to buy at distressed pricing.

> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

He didn’t make a turn. He just started sharing himself out loud.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by Nextgrid »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #6
toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

They’ll end up selling it to a German automaker who isn’t anti union. Tesla sales in Europe are mostly over and unlikely to recover, for obvious reasons. Musk did the Germans a favor, built a whole factory for them to buy at distressed pricing.

> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

> Why traders continue to buy Tesla

Same reason people play musical chairs or gamble. In both cases they know there has to be a loser holding the bag, they're just hoping it won't be them.

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