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Re: Most websites don't need cookie consent banners

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"Advertising or behavioral tracking cookies" Any real business needs to do behavioral tracking for campaign conversions, add-to-cart, customer acquisition, funneling, retention, personalization, etc. I love how we all hate cookie banners and say they are unnecessary, but are salaries are all paid by apps that do behavioral tracking. Only hobby blogs can get by without it.

you don't need a banner for shopping carts, or personalisation

the heuristic for whether you need the banner is essentially: is the user deriving the benefit, or just the operator?

if it's the latter you definitely need the banner

Re: Most websites don't need cookie consent banners

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“You DO need consent for: Third-party tracking cookies like Google Analytics, Facebook Pixel“ Since most websites use GA then yes most need the banners. You could say most sites don’t need GA but that’s a different argument.

GA is free while Fathom and Plausible are not. I think that's the main reason why GA is so popular and therefore why most sites need cookie consent banners.

Re: Most websites don't need cookie consent banners

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post #6

"Advertising or behavioral tracking cookies" Any real business needs to do behavioral tracking for campaign conversions, add-to-cart, customer acquisition, funneling, retention, personalization, etc. I love how we all hate cookie banners and say they are unnecessary, but are salaries are all paid by apps that do behavioral tracking. Only hobby blogs can get by without it.

you don't need a banner for shopping carts, or personalisation the heuristic for whether you need the banner is essentially: is the user deriving the benefit, or just the operator? if it's the latter you definitely need the banner

> the heuristic for whether you need the banner is essentially: is the user deriving the benefit, or just the operator?

This is just as bogus as the user vs developer distinction in copyleft world.

Of course users benefit from the operator knowing if their design decisions are actually on the right track.

Re: Most websites don't need cookie consent banners

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Unfortunately culprit may the privacy laws, irrespective of their good intentions, precisely because the 'banner' does not materially do anything but create an arbitrary annoyance.

It's not a better experience, it's a worse experience, because users will click on 'whatever' and therefore the goal of the privacy laws are not met.

Given the current situation - things would be improved by merely providing users with a consistent way to check on cookie status aka with a 'privacy link' up top that always gives clear info about privacy - but with no popup.

Or - given the current situation - it may be more appropriate to be more assertive with privacy and not allow one-click opt-in because it's just too much?

The fact is, the popups are just bad - the don't accomplish what the are trying to accomplish and we need a more UX friendly way to regulate. Which could be lighter or more restricting, one way or another.

I think we should accept that certain kinds of tracking should be allowed by default for many cases. It don't think it's a violation of privacy for companies to map an individuals experience across their property, as long as user is anonymous, there are other checks etc. Sharing data between sites is completely another thing altogether.

Re: Most websites don't need cookie consent banners

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"You DON’T need consent for: First-party cookies used just for your own analytics (in most cases)"

They claim that, but the page they link to as the source says "You must...Receive users’ consent before you use any cookies except strictly necessary cookies.". So what exactly makes them think that first-party analytics cookies are "strictly necessary"? The Mastodon link in the at the start of page doesn't seem to work.

Re: Most websites don't need cookie consent banners

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you don't need a banner for shopping carts, or personalisation the heuristic for whether you need the banner is essentially: is the user deriving the benefit, or just the operator? if it's the latter you definitely need the banner

> the heuristic for whether you need the banner is essentially: is the user deriving the benefit, or just the operator? This is just as bogus as the user vs developer distinction in copyleft world. Of course users benefit from the operator knowing if their design decisions are actually on the right track.

how does the user browsing the site right now benefit from activity tracking?

the specific user right now, not a hypothetical user at some point in the future (if the business continues to exist)

answer: they don't

Re: Most websites don't need cookie consent banners

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“You DO need consent for: Third-party tracking cookies like Google Analytics, Facebook Pixel“ Since most websites use GA then yes most need the banners. You could say most sites don’t need GA but that’s a different argument.

That’s the argument made by the article.

Re: Most websites don't need cookie consent banners

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The way not to need cookie consent banners is to not do analytics tracking in the first place.

I often wonder what value it actually is.

Sure, you might understand your demographics better.. if you presume that the analytics are faultless at telling you this- which they're really not.

If you care about how your site is used, you don't need to set any cookies.

Re: Most websites don't need cookie consent banners

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I wonder how many people provide consent through these banners. Is it frequent enough to be worth the terrible user experience? I know some sites use dark patterns in their cookie banners, which I consider to be a helpful hint that the company doesn't respect the users.

It's always those awful websites with a million popups, adverts, sites that reflow after 10 seconds, etc. They would be horrible to use even without the cookie banners.
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