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Serious = Suspicious, Shooting with Phone vs. Shooting with Camera

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Re: Serious = Suspicious, Shooting with Phone vs. Shooting with Camera

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> The psychology here is as fascinating as it is absurd. > Both devices capture identical images. This is so obviously false. The photos definitely don't look identical. If you're carrying a DSLR, it's a darn good bet you believe it'd take better photos than your phone. And someone who does so is going through the trouble of carrying one is more likely to spread the photo publicly than someone who's using their phone…

> And someone who does so is going through the trouble of carrying one is more likely to spread the photo publicly than someone who's using their phone.

In this era of social media, is that really true?

Most people I've known that use an actual camera take thousands of photos looking for that one perfect photo. A journalist is looking for the perfect Front Page photo, not to publish an album. They also tend to care about getting a "clean" shot without awkward strangers in the background.

Conversely, people on social media seem to have much, much lower standards for posting, and will routinely capture audio and video. They also don't care nearly as much about some awkward person in the background, and might even be intentionally filming an awkward person to make fun of them on TikTok.

Re: Serious = Suspicious, Shooting with Phone vs. Shooting with Camera

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post #8

> The psychology here is as fascinating as it is absurd. > Both devices capture identical images. This is so obviously false. The photos definitely don't look identical. If you're carrying a DSLR, it's a darn good bet you believe it'd take better photos than your phone. And someone who does so is going through the trouble of carrying one is more likely to spread the photo publicly than someone who's using their phone…

> This is so obviously false. The photos definitely don't look identical. If you're carrying a DSLR, it's a darn good bet you believe it'd take better photos than your phone.

gonna push back a little on this one. Today, the best iphones can easily take pictures as good a DSLR, providing conditions are right (good light etc)

The quality of the photo btw, is irrelevant to the camera used.

But what the DLSR has that the iphones etc don't have is the ability to excel at the edges of technical capability. E.g. low light, large telephoto, interchange able lenses, filters, more control over exposure, better autofocus, more control over Dof etc.

It's like a Ferrari and a Pickup. Sure they both do the same thing on the face of it. Take you to the store, go a for a drive, visit friends. But that time you wanna go enjoy some twisty roads? you need the ferrari ? That time you need to haul trash to the tip ? You need the pickup.

And so the DLSR 'beat's iphone in some cases, iphone beats DSLR in some cases, but they both take decent pictures and if there are destined for screen only then it can be hard to even tell the difference.

There's youtube videos of people comparing exactly this, and until you print and blow up your image to 2ft x 3ft you can't see any difference.

Re: Serious = Suspicious, Shooting with Phone vs. Shooting with Camera

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post #8

> The psychology here is as fascinating as it is absurd. > Both devices capture identical images. This is so obviously false. The photos definitely don't look identical. If you're carrying a DSLR, it's a darn good bet you believe it'd take better photos than your phone. And someone who does so is going through the trouble of carrying one is more likely to spread the photo publicly than someone who's using their phone…

I would think the person who takes a ton of phone pictures is the one more likely to put them in an instagram reel.

And phone photos at near range are as good as DSLRs as far as "invasion of privacy" are concerned.

Re: Serious = Suspicious, Shooting with Phone vs. Shooting with Camera

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> Perhaps we’re witnessing a fundamental change in how photography functions socially. The democratisation of image-making through phones has made everyone comfortable with being both behind and in front of cameras, but only within specific, socially agreed parameters. Step outside those parameters with “serious” equipment, and you’re suddenly operating in a different social reality entirely.

I think this is the part which gets closest to trying to explain any of the "why". To me, the largest portion seems to come down to most everyone having used a phone for personal photos in the last 20 years and very few have ever used a phone for professional photos (partly because most are not professionals, partly because if they were they tend to like "real" cameras). Framed from the perspective of professional cameras, most people stopped using cameras for personal photos unless they happen to be professionals or enthusiasts.

This creates a very strong association with "phone = personal/throwaway photo, camera = formal photo for wide consumption". Naturally, this is not universally always true. One can be using a professional camera for personal photos of their girlfriend and one can take a selfie at starbucks and have a million social media readers see it. While not universally true, I bet even the author would overwhelmingly make the same assumption if asked to bet money on the intent of random photographer setups while walking through town. People are just making the same assumption when they see him at Starbucks with a professional camera.

Re: Serious = Suspicious, Shooting with Phone vs. Shooting with Camera

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I argue the opposite! Phone cameras, while hardly perfect, are easily on par with the sort of cameras people used to do street photography with, and improving constantly.

I too remember the "no photos" rules - in the pre-smartphone era. Technically you weren't even supposed to bring a camera in to the workplace (though this was mostly unenforced).

Now you can take pictures and videos of everything, willy nilly, and nobody bats an eyelash. With a camera that you always have with you, whether you anticipated taking photos that day or not.

And yeah, you can't play shallow focus games (notwithstanding that the phone will fake shallow focus with algorithm). And you don't get real zoom (pinch zoom doesn't count).

Oh, on the "real camera" front. Show up with a Canon SX30 ("big" camera, lots of glass in front) and people might notice. But show up with an SX210 (these are cameras I happen to have) and you can get great stealth shots with its 14x zoom but no one the wiser. It's just a small point and shoot, harmless, right? This thing is leaps and bounds more capable than a camera that size back in the pre-digital days.

I'll bet a Gopro will get a pass too.

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