I wouldn't describe Trump as seriously wanting to take over Greenland. Vs. being kinda desperate to talk big, get headlines, flex his ego, and distract folks from his domestic problems & waning voter approval numbers. Obviously, that's no assurance that he won't actually try to do it. But I think he and his inner circle are quite aware that taking it would mostly remove "talk big about taking Greenland" from his rhet…
In International Relations the most dominant theory is called “Realism”[0], which basically says that States will be self-interested and cooperation happens when both sides gain from it, but also factors in each side’s powers, both military and soft. But in the end it’s RATIONAL actors. Like having the Nuke is great because nobody is crazy enough to mess with you because you can nuke them, but also you will get nuked…
Trump serious about wanting to take over Greenland, says Danish prime minister
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#12If it happened by force, then the US has attacked the EU. I almost cannot conceive that it would happen. However, if it does, the EU would have to force all US military personnel stationed on the bases across the EU to leave the region.
EU and NATO, NATO is larger than the EU itself. It would be a political, economic, and military disaster (even if the US "wins" the conflict) for the US. Losing 31 ally nations (possibly more) overnight and all those facilities would be a long-term military disaster, and a longer-term political disaster. Who would ever ally with the US again for the next several decades knowing that the US will turn on allies?
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#13I wouldn't describe Trump as seriously wanting to take over Greenland. Vs. being kinda desperate to talk big, get headlines, flex his ego, and distract folks from his domestic problems & waning voter approval numbers. Obviously, that's no assurance that he won't actually try to do it. But I think he and his inner circle are quite aware that taking it would mostly remove "talk big about taking Greenland" from his rhet…
In International Relations the most dominant theory is called “Realism”[0], which basically says that States will be self-interested and cooperation happens when both sides gain from it, but also factors in each side’s powers, both military and soft. But in the end it’s RATIONAL actors. Like having the Nuke is great because nobody is crazy enough to mess with you because you can nuke them, but also you will get nuked…
What if Venezuela undoes that? What if countries decide they're going to squelch on their concessions to Trump as a result?
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
EU and NATO, NATO is larger than the EU itself. It would be a political, economic, and military disaster (even if the US "wins" the conflict) for the US. Losing 31 ally nations (possibly more) overnight and all those facilities would be a long-term military disaster, and a longer-term political disaster. Who would ever ally with the US again for the next several decades knowing that the US will turn on allies?
The effects are probably more profound that just losing allies. It also could crash financial market, and tech wise would force EU to develop it's own industry, like baidu or yandex
I included the economic disaster in my list. I just felt that I needed to explain why I considered it a military disaster even though the US could likely "win" Greenland. It would lose Europe and the ability to project military power through Europe. This impacts the ability to project power in Africa and the Middle East. It'll lead to a cascading military failure which leads to lots of other problems including further economic problems.
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#15I wouldn't describe Trump as seriously wanting to take over Greenland. Vs. being kinda desperate to talk big, get headlines, flex his ego, and distract folks from his domestic problems & waning voter approval numbers. Obviously, that's no assurance that he won't actually try to do it. But I think he and his inner circle are quite aware that taking it would mostly remove "talk big about taking Greenland" from his rhet…
This is what I thought about his tariff talk and then Obliteration Day happened.
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#16I wouldn't describe Trump as seriously wanting to take over Greenland. Vs. being kinda desperate to talk big, get headlines, flex his ego, and distract folks from his domestic problems & waning voter approval numbers. Obviously, that's no assurance that he won't actually try to do it. But I think he and his inner circle are quite aware that taking it would mostly remove "talk big about taking Greenland" from his rhet…
This is what I thought about his tariff talk and then Obliteration Day happened.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
In International Relations the most dominant theory is called “Realism”[0], which basically says that States will be self-interested and cooperation happens when both sides gain from it, but also factors in each side’s powers, both military and soft. But in the end it’s RATIONAL actors. Like having the Nuke is great because nobody is crazy enough to mess with you because you can nuke them, but also you will get nuked…
> Or maybe I eat my words and this is more like the tariffs thing, where he barks and growls but in the end is a bully tactic to get others to do what he wants. Because that has in fact worked somewhat well. What if Venezuela undoes that? What if countries decide they're going to squelch on their concessions to Trump as a result?
Denmark? An EU, NATO country? Shit that would really be unprecedented.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is what I thought about his tariff talk and then Obliteration Day happened.
The tariffs turned on a fat revenue stream for Trump's Treasury. And brought a long queue of kneelers to his door, begging for tariff exemptions for their businesses.
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It's hard to see how. It would certainly suck for the people living there.