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Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you sure your government is attacking because of free elections? Never said that. I said this could wind up being net good if that's the outcome. Doesn't make the way we would have gotten there okay. And it doesn't mean that was a primary or even proximate goal for the people who called the shots.

are you saying this as a local to the area or as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" lmao.

> as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good"

American living in America who knows Venzeulans in America, most of whom didn't want this.

But. All of whom would want their country to democratise. Whether blowing up the capital and kidnapping their dictator causes that to happen is questionable. But Venezuela has cultural memory of democracy. (On the other hand, there seems to be zero effort–again!–towards an after-the-bombs plan. I'll also note that this administration isn't exactly a fan, itself, of free and fair elections.)

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Boat nonsense aside, if Trump has actually pulled this off while mostly striking military targets, that's (a) impressive and (b) possibly–possibly!–worth celebrating. The caveat is what happens next. If a stable government emerges, that's okay. If a stable government emerges that holds free and fair elections, that's brilliant. If, on the other hand, the power vacuum prompts a civil war and refugee crisis because nob…

Trump is a criminal who just completely violated international law to steal another country's resources. Nothing impressive or worth celebrating about this kidnapping, period.

They can't have free and fair elections when the US is literally holding their president hostage. And dictatorships like Saudi Arabia are just fine apparently.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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So where do we go from here? Venezuela doesn't have the capacity to strike back. I assume this triggers a civil war for power. Maduro is a dead man flying to his future grave.

> where do we go from here?

My honest guess? Cuba.

(If I were in charge from this minute on, I’d offer Maduro a pardon, asylum and a mountain of cash to (a) assist with a regime change and (b) tell us all of Cuba, Iran, Russia and China’s nasty business.)

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

#17
post #13

Boat nonsense aside, if Trump has actually pulled this off while mostly striking military targets, that's (a) impressive and (b) possibly–possibly!–worth celebrating. The caveat is what happens next. If a stable government emerges, that's okay. If a stable government emerges that holds free and fair elections, that's brilliant. If, on the other hand, the power vacuum prompts a civil war and refugee crisis because nob…

Trump is a criminal who just completely violated international law to steal another country's resources. Nothing impressive or worth celebrating about this kidnapping, period. They can't have free and fair elections when the US is literally holding their president hostage. And dictatorships like Saudi Arabia are just fine apparently.

Maduro's last two elections werent even close to free and fair. To throw the phrase 'free and fair' into the same sentence as 'Maduro' is ridiculous.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you saying this as a local to the area or as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" lmao.

> as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" American living in America who knows Venzeulans in America, most of whom didn't want this. But. All of whom would want their country to democratise. Whether blowing up the capital and kidnapping their dictator causes that to happen is questionable. But Venezuela has cultural memory of democracy. (On the other hand, there seems to be zero effort–a…

lol bro u realize if ur a minority in your flavor of democracy u still lose right? thats why they need entire campaigns to brainwash you on what's good for you on ur voter leaflets.

Re: Trump says U.S. operation captured Venezuela's president Nicolas Maduro

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Boat nonsense aside, if Trump has actually pulled this off while mostly striking military targets, that's (a) impressive and (b) possibly–possibly!–worth celebrating. The caveat is what happens next. If a stable government emerges, that's okay. If a stable government emerges that holds free and fair elections, that's brilliant. If, on the other hand, the power vacuum prompts a civil war and refugee crisis because nob…

> mostly striking military targets

You are ok with Trump invading a neighbour country, kidnapping a person while accepting some civilian casualties?

I wonder what you would think if Canada would invade the USA and kidnapping Trump and other criminals.

This strike was not sanctioned by Venezuela. They are sovereign and they have the right to deal with their affairs in their own way. The USA -- as so often in history -- are playing judge, jury and executioner in foreign countries. They violated international law. The fact that you want to celebrate this says a lot about your attitude towards sovereignty , due process and human life.

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