And how much worse would Tesla sales be without tariffs and protectionism in the U.S. and Europe?
It is sad to see how Musk has pissed away Tesla's technological leadership. Those BVD and Huawei cars make the Tesla product look outdated at this point.
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Re: Tesla sales fall for the second year in a row
#12Elon built up Tesla, to his great credit. He also has gone out of his way to undermine the car business. He enthusiastically endorsed getting rid of the EV car credit, publicly stating that it would help Tesla. And his DOGE antics have turned the Tesla brand toxic in the eyes of so many people in the US and around the world. (I own a Tesla and had many people advice me to sell it or to put a sticker on it to avoid va…
Who is vandalizing the cars? Why doesn't police arrest them?
They have arrested some. Have heard of Teslas getting keyed too.
My sense is that Elon being less in the spotlight recently has allowed some of the anger he provoked to cool off. But the brand damage, I am afraid, is permanent.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/tesla-vandalism-incidents-conti...
Re: Tesla sales fall for the second year in a row
#13Did they move to Texas and spend $300m getting Trump elected? Did they pander disrespectfully and partisanly? Is that selling electric cars to Republicans? Did they build a "cyber" puss-APC product for the wider market and then piss it away on the largest steel stamping machine in Texas, nay the world (which is a single point of failure for production and maintenance)? Someone should explain to them that there are le…
What sort of a bonus does that deserve?
If line goes up, nothing else matters.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who is vandalizing the cars? Why doesn't police arrest them?
They have arrested some. Have heard of Teslas getting keyed too. My sense is that Elon being less in the spotlight recently has allowed some of the anger he provoked to cool off. But the brand damage, I am afraid, is permanent. https://www.wcvb.com/article/tesla-vandalism-incidents-conti... https://youtu.be/NpFpfOemGR0?si=eMK0rMeRrv-gIKCT
> But the brand damage, I am afraid, is permanent
Afraid? Are you somehow invested in Tesla?
Re: Tesla sales fall for the second year in a row
#15Elon built up Tesla, to his great credit. He also has gone out of his way to undermine the car business. He enthusiastically endorsed getting rid of the EV car credit, publicly stating that it would help Tesla. And his DOGE antics have turned the Tesla brand toxic in the eyes of so many people in the US and around the world. (I own a Tesla and had many people advice me to sell it or to put a sticker on it to avoid va…
Who is vandalizing the cars? Why doesn't police arrest them?
The police are underfunded and understaffed since Covid here in Silicon Valley. They won’t pursue your vandalism cases if they are just the value of a car.
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#16"Musk’s aerospace and defense company, SpaceX, reportedly purchased tens of millions of dollars worth of Cybertrucks in 2025." - https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/02/tesla-tsla-q4-2025-vehicle-d... Bullish :-)
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#17Given that Robotaxis are currently crashing at a much higher rate than human-driven vehicles, it seems risky to put a large majority of your company's future earnings and growth in that basket. On the Optimus front, I spent years in manufacturing. This industry is conservative and deeply relationship driven. Plants prioritize uptime and proven reliability, and they're slow to adopt newcomers. ABB is the 800-pound gor…
> Given that Robotaxis are currently crashing at a much higher rate than human-driven vehicles
Citation needed
Re: Tesla sales fall for the second year in a row
#18Given that Robotaxis are currently crashing at a much higher rate than human-driven vehicles, it seems risky to put a large majority of your company's future earnings and growth in that basket. On the Optimus front, I spent years in manufacturing. This industry is conservative and deeply relationship driven. Plants prioritize uptime and proven reliability, and they're slow to adopt newcomers. ABB is the 800-pound gor…
> Given that Robotaxis are currently crashing at a much higher rate than human-driven vehicles Citation needed
https://electrek.co/2025/12/15/tesla-reports-another-robotax...
>Last month, Tesla confirmed the fleet had traveled roughly 250,000 miles. With 7 reported crashes at the time, Tesla’s Robotaxi was crashing roughly once every 40,000 miles (extrapolating from the previously disclosed Robotaxi mileage).
>For comparison, the average human driver in the US crashes about once every 500,000 miles.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have arrested some. Have heard of Teslas getting keyed too. My sense is that Elon being less in the spotlight recently has allowed some of the anger he provoked to cool off. But the brand damage, I am afraid, is permanent. https://www.wcvb.com/article/tesla-vandalism-incidents-conti... https://youtu.be/NpFpfOemGR0?si=eMK0rMeRrv-gIKCT
> But the brand damage, I am afraid, is permanent Afraid? Are you somehow invested in Tesla?
Yes they said they own a Tesla. They may want to sell it one day. Bad publicity hurts its value.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Given that Robotaxis are currently crashing at a much higher rate than human-driven vehicles Citation needed
https://electrek.co/2025/12/15/tesla-reports-another-robotax... >Last month, Tesla confirmed the fleet had traveled roughly 250,000 miles. With 7 reported crashes at the time, Tesla’s Robotaxi was crashing roughly once every 40,000 miles (extrapolating from the previously disclosed Robotaxi mileage). >For comparison, the average human driver in the US crashes about once every 500,000 miles.
Ah, I misunderstood "Robotaxis" to be referring to autonomous taxis in general, not Tesla's Robotaxi's specifically. Thank you for clarifying.