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NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks
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#12This makes me wonder what methods of transferring information we may have lost historically that we don't even recognize? Will there be analog clocks in 30 years? It seems somewhat doubtful, particularly if this generation can't read them. What benefit is there to keep this antiquated method around, aside from just as an historical reference? I'm in my 50s, so I can read an analog clock, and I have analog watches. Bu…
Luxury watches are analog. Maybe people 50 years from now won't even know if the clock is telling the time correctly and will just wear the watch to show off...
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#13This framing aggravates me.
Of course they /can/ read clocks. You just haven't _taught_ them how to do it yet, and up until now, they've had no reason to do it.
It's divisive and weird.
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#14The fact that US children doesn't know how to read clocks doesn't surprise me, but what about other countries?
Is reading a clock taught to students in India, Japan, China, Chile?
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#15The discussion about this on the teachers subreddit repeated the claim of 'Of course they can't read a clock, NY teachers are only allowed to teach things that are explicitly specified on any of the syllabi or tests and reading a clock isn't on the list.'. The other internet fora for teachers have exactly as much cynicism as you'd expect too, but there is an implied grain of truth: Teachers don't have the time to mea…
> Teachers don't have the time to meaningfully teach anything except the test contents, because truancy has exploded.
That buries the lede. Why don't they have time? Isn't education their goal? Or is test taking their goal? And why? Is it because the school gets federal funding based on test results and student attendance?
We've ruined schools the same way the British found the Cobra Effect. We've created entirely the wrong incentives for everyone involved.
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#16It may just be me, but it seems like digital clocks have been replacing analog clocks long before smartphones. That being said, I’ve enjoyed wearing my analog watch the last few years to tell time instead of having to pull out my phone all the time. Imagine if we used our Steam decks and Switches the same way…
Almost all wall clocks sold here are analogue ones. And they are in almost every home and public place. (Looking at the clock section in the hardware store and the municipality Office/train station combination)
Most digital clocks are alarms. As soon as it becomes a computer and not primary a time device it becomes more digital.
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#17This makes me wonder what methods of transferring information we may have lost historically that we don't even recognize? Will there be analog clocks in 30 years? It seems somewhat doubtful, particularly if this generation can't read them. What benefit is there to keep this antiquated method around, aside from just as an historical reference? I'm in my 50s, so I can read an analog clock, and I have analog watches. Bu…
It's not about forcing anything onto anyone, it's about teaching useful skills (at school or at home).
Analog clocks are sufficiently common to make how to read them an useful skill.
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#18This framing aggravates me. Of course they /can/ read clocks. You just haven't _taught_ them how to do it yet, and up until now, they've had no reason to do it. It's divisive and weird.
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#19When I was a kid, before kinder garden, I remember my parents beginning to teach me how to read an analogue clock.. But I this was the late 80s, maybe it was 1990, but, this thing called Digital Clocks were a thing at the time.. And I absolutely refused to learn that old fashioned shit when I was already staring right at the objectively better solution.. My reasoning was that the old clocks would either be replaced by digital clocks within a short time, and those that weren't replace would be when they broke (5 year old me didn't grasp the idea that people would continue buying the obviously inferior products until this very day), honestly, I'm still a bit perplexed by the fact that one can buy an analogue clock today.. It's objectively inferior in every way.. Most of them don't even do 24 hours, which, is the amount of hours we have in a day, leading some idiots to refer to 18:00 as "six-o-clock", and other idiots (like myself) to have to ask EVERY_TIME someone tells me a time that's less than, or equal to 12.. fuck that shit.
Yeah, I learned how to read inferior clocks, but.. I don't see the point.
So no, it's not that those students can't read a clock, they just can't read an analogue one, because they're probably need to as often as they need to read an octal clock, or a binary led clock, or a 24 hour dial clock, or Chinese..
Re: NYC phone ban reveals some students can't read clocks
#20The discussion about this on the teachers subreddit repeated the claim of 'Of course they can't read a clock, NY teachers are only allowed to teach things that are explicitly specified on any of the syllabi or tests and reading a clock isn't on the list.'. The other internet fora for teachers have exactly as much cynicism as you'd expect too, but there is an implied grain of truth: Teachers don't have the time to mea…
Maybe so but children/teenagers also have parents and it is problematic when parents pass the buck to schools to teach their children everything.