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School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

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Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#11
We could metal detect and bag check at the doors, or we can pay a ton of money for a vision based system… what is with Americans fixations on cameras as the technical solution to every real world problem?

Gun detection is a solved problem. Even shopping malls and hotels in developing countries get this right.

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#12

We could metal detect and bag check at the doors, or we can pay a ton of money for a vision based system… what is with Americans fixations on cameras as the technical solution to every real world problem? Gun detection is a solved problem. Even shopping malls and hotels in developing countries get this right.

Metal detection and bag checking requires a human at the entrance. With a camera you can automate the human away (at some cost to reliability and reasonability).

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#13
post #5

"Along similar lines, Seminole County Public Schools (SCPS) communications officer, Katherine Crnkovich, emphasized in an email to Ars to “please make sure it is noted that this student wasn’t simply carrying a clarinet. This individual was holding it as if it were a weapon.” I don't know if this communication officer realize the ridicule of her statement.

> This individual was holding it as if it were a weapon

When asked to clarify the communications officer provided the following evidence:

"As you can see in this image the student is squinting a little bit, exactly what you would do if you were aiming."

"Also, you can see by his stance that he is trying to create stability with one foot a little forward."

"I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was actually a trial run and he is testing the AI for weaknesses."

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

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post #5

"Along similar lines, Seminole County Public Schools (SCPS) communications officer, Katherine Crnkovich, emphasized in an email to Ars to “please make sure it is noted that this student wasn’t simply carrying a clarinet. This individual was holding it as if it were a weapon.” I don't know if this communication officer realize the ridicule of her statement.

Like blaming a girl that she dressed in a wrong way and thus she was assaulted.

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#16
post #5

"Along similar lines, Seminole County Public Schools (SCPS) communications officer, Katherine Crnkovich, emphasized in an email to Ars to “please make sure it is noted that this student wasn’t simply carrying a clarinet. This individual was holding it as if it were a weapon.” I don't know if this communication officer realize the ridicule of her statement.

So I guess the Cardboard Tube Samurai was a prophesy?

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#17

We could metal detect and bag check at the doors, or we can pay a ton of money for a vision based system… what is with Americans fixations on cameras as the technical solution to every real world problem? Gun detection is a solved problem. Even shopping malls and hotels in developing countries get this right.

It's pretty sad that we've come to this. What if we had nothing? Instead of treating students like criminals we treat them like complex humans and put the money into providing support and welfare for students?

My dad was in the gun club at his high school and brought a rifle to class regularly. It was fine. Guns aren't the problem.

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#18
Thank your MAGAs. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/10/31/1209683...

Insanity. That isn't "denial of a problem", or a tendency anymore. _One order of magnitude_ worse than any western civilization.

Other countries have "wake up calls" and act accordingly.

Still, close to every US blockbuster movie "solves" problems with guns. That's cynical, considering the real world suffering.

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean these students now have the absolute funniest and most effective way to protest this bullshit. They could do more musical instruments, but I think bringing in comically fake depictions of outlandish weaponry would be legendary. A cereal box that just has the letters C4 written on it, an old timey cartoon bomb, a papier-mâché nuclear warhead.

Or just a Doritos bag apparently.

Sir, please drop that bag of Flamin Hot Cool Ranch chips and place your hands where I can see them

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#20
post #17

We could metal detect and bag check at the doors, or we can pay a ton of money for a vision based system… what is with Americans fixations on cameras as the technical solution to every real world problem? Gun detection is a solved problem. Even shopping malls and hotels in developing countries get this right.

It's pretty sad that we've come to this. What if we had nothing? Instead of treating students like criminals we treat them like complex humans and put the money into providing support and welfare for students? My dad was in the gun club at his high school and brought a rifle to class regularly. It was fine. Guns aren't the problem.

> Guns aren't the problem

Maybe not the whole problem but surely part of it?

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