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Approaching 50 Years of String Theory

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Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory

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Perhaps you could elevate the discussion by providing an actual argument against this view of string theory, which has indeed percolated through social media?

For my part, I know a little bit more than "shit" about physics but I know very little about string theory and know better than to have strongly held opinions about things I don't understand. I've heard quite a lot about the criticisms and would like to hear a defense of it.

Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory

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I thought Brian Greene did a great job interviewing Edward Witten (Fields Medal winner) on the World Science Festival Youtube channel [1]. I also just really enjoy Brian Greene, his books, and the World Science Festival Youtube channel. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAbP0magTVY

You might not like Angela Collier's video on string theory[1]. [1]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kya_LXa_y1E

Interesting, thanks for sharing!

I definitely don't walk away from any of Brian Greene's content thinking that String Theory is anything close to a confirmed fact at all.

It's been some times since I read his earlier books, possibly his tone has changed?

I'll also say, I'm far from a professional physicist. I'm reading and watching for fun and intellectual curiosity, not to learn physics with the goal of doing my own research. I always thought of String Theory as being more of a study of math where many people have unsuccessfully tried to apply it to physics. And, that it's lead to some really interesting ideas. I just find him and his work really enjoyable.

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Ive been told my multiple High Energy Physicists that String Theory was suspect because it makes no predictions. Being able to make predictions that are testable is a foundation of theoretical science. Not everything is because of influences.

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Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory

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An in half a century we still haven't found a single actually testable prediction.

I think that's not quite right: it is reasonably certain that string theory can produce both the standard model and most extensions people have dreamt up, so the problem is rather that all the obviously "stringy" predictions are currently unavailable, while the string theory derived predictions for achievable experiments look like what we get from other theories we already have.

Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory

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I thought Brian Greene did a great job interviewing Edward Witten (Fields Medal winner) on the World Science Festival Youtube channel [1]. I also just really enjoy Brian Greene, his books, and the World Science Festival Youtube channel. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAbP0magTVY

You might not like Angela Collier's video on string theory[1]. [1]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kya_LXa_y1E

Thanks for posting that; as soon as I saw the title here I was going to look that up if no one else had already. Sabine Hossenfelder too, though there's far too much content from her on this to put a list, but anyone interested might like some of her takes.

A few debates between Brian and other notables; Hossenfelder, Eric Weinstein, and Roger Penrose to name a few; have popped up in my youtube feed lately which are typically also engaging.

Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory

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An in half a century we still haven't found a single actually testable prediction.

I think that's not quite right: it is reasonably certain that string theory can produce both the standard model and most extensions people have dreamt up, so the problem is rather that all the obviously "stringy" predictions are currently unavailable, while the string theory derived predictions for achievable experiments look like what we get from other theories we already have.

To make this valuable, it should produce a limited set including standard model. If you produce pretty much everything one can dream of, that does not carry predictive power.

What does string theory predict that (1) is within experimental reach in, say, 5 years (2) if not found, would prove it wrong. Was there ever anything satisfying these two simultaneously? AFAIK,the answer is "no".

Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might not like Angela Collier's video on string theory[1]. [1]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kya_LXa_y1E

Thanks for posting that; as soon as I saw the title here I was going to look that up if no one else had already. Sabine Hossenfelder too, though there's far too much content from her on this to put a list, but anyone interested might like some of her takes. A few debates between Brian and other notables; Hossenfelder, Eric Weinstein, and Roger Penrose to name a few; have popped up in my youtube feed lately which are…

Hossenfelder is not really comparable to Collier. Collier's video is critical of string theory as a testable framework but she ultimately still supports people who do research in string theory. Most of her criticism is with media coverage of string theory, not the research or the researchers.

Hossenfelder has gone off the "the physics establishment is all idiots and they are suppressing the real physics" deep end and has converted specific complaints into trashing the entire field.

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