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AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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> 5600X is cheaper and acts less than a heater over the winter It’s impossible to keep my 5800x below 90C under full load.

This is where the 5700X shines. 8 cores, still cool.

The 5700X has the same 8 cores as a 5800X3D but with a slightly higher maximum clock speed (the X3D CPUs tend to have lower maximum voltages because the extra cache die doesn't tolerate voltages as high as the CPU cores do). The only reason the 5700X is running cooler for you is because it comes with a 65W "TDP" setting out of the box rather than the 105W "TDP" setting used by the 5800X3D. If you configure a 5800X3D to operate at the same power limit, it'll give you generally better performance than a 5700X.

In general, buying a power-limited desktop CPU has never been a good strategy to get better efficiency. You can always configure the full-power chip to only use that extra headroom for short bursts, and to throttle down to what you consider acceptable for sustained workloads.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 5600X is cheaper and acts less than a heater over the winter It’s impossible to keep my 5800x below 90C under full load.

This is where the 5700X shines. 8 cores, still cool.

And the 7900 ! (AM5 though)

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Based on the benchmarks that I've seen, 5800X3D is still a good CPU for games, when paired with a very expensive GPU, otherwise a 5600X is cheaper and acts less than a heater over the winter. Someone with the money for a nVidia 5800 GPU will pair it with a 9800X3D, for most games even 16 GB of RAM will work and would be cheap enough, while for applications one does not need X3D, so what exactly is the point of 5800X3…

> so what exactly is the point of 5800X3D scalping

in the past, growth in PC gaming came naturally with the growth in the adoption of computers around the world.

at saturation of "new to computers" audiences, growth in PC gaming comes from convincing the core gaming demographic, newly-turned 13 year old boys, to agitate for PCs instead of XYZ.

so a big part of it is the retail-marketing experience - the aesthetics of buying - and scalping / sense of urgency plays extremely well with the buyer who actually chooses PC over a nintendo switch, as opposed to a kid who will never make the more expensive choice ever.

this is really a story about saturation than it is about hardware or shortages for AI usage or whatever.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Upgraded my 2400G to a 5700G with new 64GB RAM a while back, which is really the end of the road for my system. I got a solid 3x performance increase on multi-threaded apps. Also have enough RAM to play with some this AI stuff - yes even on an AMD APU. Next purchase will likely be Zen 7.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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BS. A used (not available new) 5800X3D is 350€, while a new 9800X3D is around 460€.

I think its the memory price checked and 32gb of ddr4 is a 170 eur while same size kit in ddr5 is over 400 now. If you want to build a cheap 1080p 1440p gaming desktop it all adds up.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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Be careful with these older boards. Some might be PCIe 3.0 making your GPU and NVMe dog slow.

Even like 2016 vintage boards were PCIe 4.0 so I don’t think this is a huge issue?

The article mentions AM4 boards and many of those are PCIe 3.0.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/ilz8v6/which_am4_...

  Chipset  PCIe Version Supported
  X570   PCIe 4.0 (both GPU/NVMe)
  B550   PCIe 4.0 (GPU/NVMe; other lanes are PCIe 3.0)
  A520   PCIe 3.0
  X470   PCIe 3.0
  B450   PCIe 3.0
  X370   PCIe 3.0
  B350   PCIe 3.0
  A320   PCIe 3.0

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D sells for more than 9800X3D, enthusiasts flock to AM4 DDR4

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BS. A used (not available new) 5800X3D is 350€, while a new 9800X3D is around 460€.

I think its the memory price checked and 32gb of ddr4 is a 170 eur while same size kit in ddr5 is over 400 now. If you want to build a cheap 1080p 1440p gaming desktop it all adds up.

base speed 32gb ddr 5 ram goes for around 800€, aka 4800 MT.
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