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UK to rejoin EU's Erasmus student exchange programme

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Re: UK to rejoin EU's Erasmus student exchange programme

#11

it's about time and it's the first step back, which I love (and miss), BUT there has been 0, zero, niente, nada, rien proper discussion in the EU on WHY UK left! All UK reasons have been blamed as stupid (which is understandable due to mouth like N. Fartage), while many are not, so need to be discussed, faced, dig! and please don't talk again about immigration: this is already discussed even too much: stop talking ab…

>0, zero, niente, nada, rien proper discussion in the EU on WHY UK left!

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/other/nathan-gill-s-sentencin...

"Nathan Gill, a former Mormon bishop and father of seven who was an MEP for UKIP and The Brexit Party between 2014 and 2020, pleaded guilty to taking bribes in exchange for Russia-friendly parliamentary interventions during his time in office."

"sentenced to 10 and a half years in prison by a London court as part of a bribery case that has raised questions about how pro-Russian influence networks have targeted MEPs."

Re: UK to rejoin EU's Erasmus student exchange programme

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True.

https://www.em.muni.cz/en/student/7582-erasmus-couples-alrea...

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-erasmus-gives-europe-opportunity-lo...

"A study of the 27-year-old student exchange showed that over a quarter of people who took part had met their current life partner during their studies abroad."

Very good for EU unity, intermingling cultures and building common identity.

Re: UK to rejoin EU's Erasmus student exchange programme

#13

it's about time and it's the first step back, which I love (and miss), BUT there has been 0, zero, niente, nada, rien proper discussion in the EU on WHY UK left! All UK reasons have been blamed as stupid (which is understandable due to mouth like N. Fartage), while many are not, so need to be discussed, faced, dig! and please don't talk again about immigration: this is already discussed even too much: stop talking ab…

By what measure is EUs bureaucracy fat and expensive? Numbers please.

I'm just trying to understand whether you're informed or just repeating things you heard which sound good.

Re: UK to rejoin EU's Erasmus student exchange programme

#14

an absurd program that of course people love because they can travel and party for free and politicians love to subsidise because students will be forever grateful because they got to travel and party for free absurd EU!

well, if one love to travel and love to party I don't see in it anything wrong, actually for both I would be surprised if it's the opposite.

As for the "free" I imagine you mean: at no costs so I would just add this to the obvious:

* changing country, language, house, friends, food, etc can be fun but it requires a LOT of energy and efforts: it is an investment for yourself but with great returns for society that is (partially) covering your costs

* a student with erasmus experience is a different human being: more conscious, more able to face bureaucracy, more able to get information, more autonomous, less prone to need public funds for his professional and personal life

* any student who experience erasmus have to face being accepted as a foreigner, as somebody different, with many many prejudices ... it is not an easy experience, but it makes you more empathic on all foreigners or different humans you will meet in your life.

Traveling and living abroad is the best defense against people being used as cannon meat in wars

"politicians love to subsidies because students will be forever grateful"

what is wrong with this? what is wrong with politicians doing to citizens what makes them "to be forever grateful" ? I don't get it, do you prefer the opposite?

you correctly used "forever", and if it is a "forever" it means you have not been fooled by a politician, for a short term benefit (like receiving money).... so isn't good?

Once again your answer takes me to the concept of consciousness, meaning to know who is the cause of your problems: don't take it too personal (it applies to me, too, soooo often), but if you feel somebody else is having fun traveling and partying at EU costs, instead of asking to stop it, why don't you pretend to be in it?

I mean, even if we are not young anymore to join student parties in a cool EU dorm, can't EU money being invested in helping adults traveling and working in Europe? and having fun? and enjoy life? why not?

Re: UK to rejoin EU's Erasmus student exchange programme

#15

it's about time and it's the first step back, which I love (and miss), BUT there has been 0, zero, niente, nada, rien proper discussion in the EU on WHY UK left! All UK reasons have been blamed as stupid (which is understandable due to mouth like N. Fartage), while many are not, so need to be discussed, faced, dig! and please don't talk again about immigration: this is already discussed even too much: stop talking ab…

By what measure is EUs bureaucracy fat and expensive? Numbers please. I'm just trying to understand whether you're informed or just repeating things you heard which sound good.

yes, you are sure right, I apply here my prejudices against any big institution to whom citizens delegate power: as any institution may start well, then there is a parabola that tend to lower effectiveness and efficiency... and so on.

A quick search returned me figures of costs compared to population 'served', in which the EU is relatively lean compared to other national bureaucracy (first of all its huge cost in France!), but these figures are not comparable due to huge differences in duties...

For example I would suggest as an indicator: the cost in investment in EU to create a job

but yes, no doubt I personally I think any money invested in huge institutions to which people delegate power is a waste not just in money but in people ability to live better: as I wrote the 'regulation' approach I don't like: of course I like when (for example in protecting privacy) EU is able to face big multinational corporations, but I would prefer much more investments in citizens awareness about ...privacy, for example, to stay on that subject.

I personally think EU approach is: people are stupid (and, even worse, are allowed to be stupid, or up to: people have the right to be stupid) and our duty is to protect them by regulations and laws! (and often this aim justify any mean)

I do not want to grow up in a family where my parents have this approach.

Re: UK to rejoin EU's Erasmus student exchange programme

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By what measure is EUs bureaucracy fat and expensive? Numbers please. I'm just trying to understand whether you're informed or just repeating things you heard which sound good.

yes, you are sure right, I apply here my prejudices against any big institution to whom citizens delegate power: as any institution may start well, then there is a parabola that tend to lower effectiveness and efficiency... and so on. A quick search returned me figures of costs compared to population 'served', in which the EU is relatively lean compared to other national bureaucracy (first of all its huge cost in Fra…

Got it, you don't know.

Re: UK to rejoin EU's Erasmus student exchange programme

#17

it's about time and it's the first step back, which I love (and miss), BUT there has been 0, zero, niente, nada, rien proper discussion in the EU on WHY UK left! All UK reasons have been blamed as stupid (which is understandable due to mouth like N. Fartage), while many are not, so need to be discussed, faced, dig! and please don't talk again about immigration: this is already discussed even too much: stop talking ab…

Just tell whatever EU country to discard their ID card system?..

Denmark has no ID card for example. It might be the only one in the EU but it's not a problem. Noone is expected to to produce a proof of person on the spot to police here

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