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Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on

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Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on

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Apple told the European Commission it would roll out the new terms in January 2026. This letter is saying that the uncertainty leading up to January 2026 is causing damage and not in concordance with the European Commission finding in August 2025. Do I understand that right?

Did the European Commission agree to the January 2026 deadline or not? Have they been working internally behind the scenes with Apple or are they as in the dark as these developers? What is the legal mechanism to push disclosure a month earlier and why is the letter only being published now?

These are sincere questions of mine, in case it's not clear.

Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on

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If I had to develop commercial applications expecting interoperability from the 2nd largest mobile operating system I would be very pissed. As a consumer with the resources to leave, the choice is simple.

I disagree that the choice is simple.

In reality there are only two mobile operating systems where there is any hardware to purchase in my town. These two operating systems are the only mobile devices where my bank (and as far as I am aware other competing banks in my area) offer banking on.

There are many variables that goes into the purchase of a mobile phone, the App Store is only one of many. Google is marginally better at allowing side-loading or alternative stores, there is a degree of flexibility in hardware choices and so on. But on the other hand I trust Apple more (absolutely not fully, mind you) with regards to general privacy for example. This privacy protection in conjunction with significantly better movie recording compared to Android are the two primary reasons I stay on iOS.

But at the same time, I am highly critical of Apple’s conduct here. And because it is effectively impossible to vote with my wallet I am voting with my vote so that politicians enact policies that allow me to use my devices the way I want.

Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on

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Well, if Apple were really clever, they'd have introduced an 'EU DMA CAPTCHA' by now, requiring anyone EU-adjacent-resident to mark all the evil EU bureaucrats in a picture of room before allowing them to resume their doomscrolling. I mean, it absolutely worked for effectively sinking the GDPR, where pretty much everyone now equates that law with obnoxious 'cookie banners', to the point that these regulations are bei…

> I mean, it absolutely worked for effectively sinking the DMCA, where pretty much everyone now equites that law with obnoxious 'cookie banners', to the point that these regulations are being relaxed. I don't think DMCA has anything to do with that though I did wish everyone hated it. You probably meant GDPR.

Yes, indeed, thank you! Fixed now, but, well... abbreviation fatigue takes its toll...

Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on

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post #12
post #2

If I had to develop commercial applications expecting interoperability from the 2nd largest mobile operating system I would be very pissed. As a consumer with the resources to leave, the choice is simple.

I disagree that the choice is simple. In reality there are only two mobile operating systems where there is any hardware to purchase in my town. These two operating systems are the only mobile devices where my bank (and as far as I am aware other competing banks in my area) offer banking on. There are many variables that goes into the purchase of a mobile phone, the App Store is only one of many. Google is marginally…

Alternatively, GNU/Linux phones can be used. But not all banks support them, of course.

Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on

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Apple told the European Commission it would roll out the new terms in January 2026. This letter is saying that the uncertainty leading up to January 2026 is causing damage and not in concordance with the European Commission finding in August 2025. Do I understand that right? Did the European Commission agree to the January 2026 deadline or not? Have they been working internally behind the scenes with Apple or are the…

The commission might have agreed with the timeline. It is unclear. But on the other hand this is not just about the relationship between Apple and the EC. Their understanding might actually have meant that the damage to users and other developers remained as is claimed here so the commission now has to listen to the injured party and adjust their posture.

Think of it this way: I am blocking part of your driveway for some reasons, and after a while me and the city inspector agree that I will remedy the situation next year. Would you accept that, or would you tell the inspector that your driveway is still not useable and that I should be quicker?

Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on

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All the while Android users - or at least those on the Samsung Galaxy sub-ecosystem - are happily downloading free, as in open source, software from alternative sources like F-Droid (https://f-droid.org/), Obtainium (https://obtainium.imranr.dev/), Accrescent (https://accrescent.app/), and even can access the main app store through a more privacy friendly way using Aurora (https://auroraoss.com/) - although with the latter you will probably break a license agreement you never read anyway, so fuck that.

That, and:

* Customization is better -- Apple has nothing like Good Lock, which is developed AND officially supported by Samsung,

* AI is better -- And Samsung even gives the choice to run AI features completely locally on your phone -or- in the cloud,

* Features for power users are all around better -- As a example did you know Google built a freaking virtualization service which allows you to run a full Linux operating system, with an complete KDE Plasma or GNOME UI on top of Android? Well, now you do. Super fun feature to have on a phone. Even more super fun feature to have on a tablet.

And then there's DeX -- at least on the Galaxies, as long as Google is working on the built in desktop features for the next Android release.

And for those times you quickly want or need a Linux shell you can launch Termux (https://termux.dev/en/).

Most notably and importantly: for all these things you don't have to root or jailbreak ANYTHING... They work completely out of the box -- Although you can get a scary sounding warning when downloading stuff from outside the Play store, but if you really understand and can deal with the consequences this can be easily solved using a toggle button.

How Apple keeps managing to drive themselves and their developer ecosystem completely in the ground still is completely baffling to me. And that comes from someone who really used to love Apple, back in the Jobs era (Got the first iPod, iPhone, iPad, and first Intel MacBook Pro to prove it).

PS: Because lots of people got super pissed about Google abandoning sideloading on Android they walked back on their initial decisions and it will keep working for the foreseeable future

Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree that the choice is simple. In reality there are only two mobile operating systems where there is any hardware to purchase in my town. These two operating systems are the only mobile devices where my bank (and as far as I am aware other competing banks in my area) offer banking on. There are many variables that goes into the purchase of a mobile phone, the App Store is only one of many. Google is marginally…

Alternatively, GNU/Linux phones can be used. But not all banks support them, of course.

Not all banks, government services, travel and ticketing systems, and the list goes on.

The unfortunate reality is that we have a duopoly in the mobile device market and having one of those devices are now a practical necessity to live a normal life for most people. Without regulation to force the market to open up there's little to stop organisations that want ever more control over the devices you can use to access their systems. Trying to go outside the two big players just means you're going to get a substandard or completely pointless experience. And even governments are in on it.

Which is going to be interesting when both the huge US corporations that form that duopoly and/or the government of their home nation decide to do something that goes against what the government or laws in other places want to happen.

Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, it absolutely worked for effectively sinking the DMCA, where pretty much everyone now equites that law with obnoxious 'cookie banners', to the point that these regulations are being relaxed. I don't think DMCA has anything to do with that though I did wish everyone hated it. You probably meant GDPR.

Yes, indeed, thank you! Fixed now, but, well... abbreviation fatigue takes its toll...

Even with the fix that's still not really accurate - though it's a widespread misconception.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPrivacy_Directive

Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on

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All the while Android users - or at least those on the Samsung Galaxy sub-ecosystem - are happily downloading free, as in open source, software from alternative sources like F-Droid ( https://f-droid.org/ ), Obtainium ( https://obtainium.imranr.dev/ ), Accrescent ( https://accrescent.app/ ), and even can access the main app store through a more privacy friendly way using Aurora ( https://auroraoss.com/ ) - although w…

Samsung is so good that… https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46123747
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