A more positive-sum view is that the US is bringing the rest of the world up in science every time it exports a PhD.
Depends pretty heavily on the destination of the export, i.e. not China.
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Gosh what a disingenuous comment. Do you really, actually, not comprehend the difference between a national STEM economy and a fast food restaurant, and how the two situations are not at all analogous, or were you just trying to come up with something snappy?
foreigner comes to US to buy STEM education
completes it, leaves
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#13Well. Duh. The US PERM process is a nightmare. And it's not just the requirements and regional quotas. It's also the complete opacity of the process, with the USCIS taking _years_ to process straightforward applications in some cases.
No wonder people just give up and leave.
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#14A more positive-sum view is that the US is bringing the rest of the world up in science every time it exports a PhD.
While indeed a positive outlook, I think alot of Americans are beginning to wonder what the benefit will be to them.
The isolationist and xenophobic rhetoric of recent years is mostly a reaction to a growing sense that increasingly few Americans are benefiting from global goodwill and development. While I dont agree with the sentiment, its not entirely incorrect to describe such relationships are parasitic more then symbiotic when they become increasingly one-sided. Why should Americans be exporting PHDs to other countries when they dont seem to be reaping the benefits?
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#16Abstract: "Using newly-assembled data from 1980 through 2024, we show that 25% of scientifically-active, US-trained STEM PhD graduates leave the US within 15 years of graduating. Leave rates are lower in the life sciences and higher in AI and quantum science but overall have been stable for decades. Contrary to common perceptions, US technology benefits from these graduates' work even if they leave: though the US sha…
> "US Technology benfits from these graduates' work even if they leave."
Can someone please substatiate this claim? Many people I know are begining to question this and Id like to know more.
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#17And other countries probably have it worse
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#18A more positive-sum view is that the US is bringing the rest of the world up in science every time it exports a PhD.
While indeed a positive outlook, I think alot of Americans are beginning to wonder what the benefit will be to them. The isolationist and xenophobic rhetoric of recent years is mostly a reaction to a growing sense that increasingly few Americans are benefiting from global goodwill and development. While I dont agree with the sentiment, its not entirely incorrect to describe such relationships are parasitic more then…
The US is not "exporting" anything. PhDs are people, they pay for their education and they leave.
Nevertheless responding to your question:
>Contrary to common perceptions, US technology benefits from these graduates' work even if they leave: though the US share of global patent citations to graduates' science drops from 70% to 50% after migrating, it remains five times larger than the destination country share
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gosh what a disingenuous comment. Do you really, actually, not comprehend the difference between a national STEM economy and a fast food restaurant, and how the two situations are not at all analogous, or were you just trying to come up with something snappy?
foreigner comes to US to buy STEM education completes it, leaves
Academia is more than a transaction. It's a social good. One that's also subsidized by the US taxpayer.
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#20Abstract: "Using newly-assembled data from 1980 through 2024, we show that 25% of scientifically-active, US-trained STEM PhD graduates leave the US within 15 years of graduating. Leave rates are lower in the life sciences and higher in AI and quantum science but overall have been stable for decades. Contrary to common perceptions, US technology benefits from these graduates' work even if they leave: though the US sha…
> "US Technology benfits from these graduates' work even if they leave." Can someone please substatiate this claim? Many people I know are begining to question this and Id like to know more.
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