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Even in a Populist Moment, Democrats Are Split on the Problem of Corporate Power

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Re: Even in a Populist Moment, Democrats Are Split on the Problem of Corporate Power

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The problems in the US are systemic. There will be no significant change without abolishing the two party system.

While breaking the 2 party system seems unimaginable, I do feel like rank choice voting can do a lot to get us on a better path in the short/medium term.

Re: Even in a Populist Moment, Democrats Are Split on the Problem of Corporate Power

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These days the policy positions of each party are hashed out on social media by non-experts. For both the democrats and the republicans, instead of any sort of research or experts driving public policy decisions, it's instead the things that resonate with your average person's feelings as they scroll through their feed and get engagement. The end result is of course populism. Each election cycle gets us closer to the…

The article is saying the exact opposite of this e.g. | three days ago, it came out that Maryland Governor Wes Moore, a 2028 candidate, | made sure to have lobbyists for the American Gas Association in the room when | he interviewed for open seats to the state Public Service Commission

Re: Even in a Populist Moment, Democrats Are Split on the Problem of Corporate Power

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The problems in the US are systemic. There will be no significant change without abolishing the two party system.

Be careful what you wish for. It's most likely that the only replacement for a two-party system the US will get... Will be a one-party system. Because there is no legal pathway[1] towards solving the conditions that create the two party system, but there are many illegal offramps that will get rid of one of those parties. --- [1] There are way too many obstacles, and the bar for consensus is too high to legally have…

That's true at the federal level, but it's possible to get past the two party system at the local or state level where there's allowance for voter initiatives.

Portland's new city council setup, with four districts and three representatives each based on ranked choice voting, is a step in that direction.

Re: Even in a Populist Moment, Democrats Are Split on the Problem of Corporate Power

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These days the policy positions of each party are hashed out on social media by non-experts. For both the democrats and the republicans, instead of any sort of research or experts driving public policy decisions, it's instead the things that resonate with your average person's feelings as they scroll through their feed and get engagement. The end result is of course populism. Each election cycle gets us closer to the…

Maybe these researchers and experts should show up and present their suggested positions. People are tired of ivory tower proclamations, and most fundamentally, you need to reach people where they're at. That's just the kind of information ecosystem that we're living in, so people need to adapt.

Unfortunately, ignoring the public sphere and pretending that professionals are above such things is why we're now stuck with someone like Robert Kennedy Jr running HHS. This guy grew enough of a following and movement to reach a position of power and influence and he was barely challenged by experts all along the way.

Re: Even in a Populist Moment, Democrats Are Split on the Problem of Corporate Power

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> Political leaders and activists are petrified to go outside of a few slogans, because those slogans represent what the party writ large agrees on. They are actually angry when anyone demands they do so, making claims that there’s an attempt to avoid a “big tent” or engage in forms of inappropriate litmus testing, instead of seeing the demand to do the political work necessary to build a society.

I think this is really the core dispute, and I'd encourage the author to take it more seriously. Does the Democratic coalition work without pro-corporate liberals on board? How many people would jump ship if you excommunicated Reed Hastings and Ezra Klein, and which are the Republican voters who would be swayed to replace (and hopefully more-than-replace) them? Without good answers to these questions, there's a very real risk of creating an energized, passionate, anti-corporate Democratic party which simply does not have any path to 270 electoral votes.

"Chuck Schumer still imagines America as it was in 1980", in the author's words. But what this means is that Chuck Schumer remembers an era where California was a Republican stronghold, a poorly constructed Democratic coalition led to three consecutive Republican landslides, and they hung on in Congress only by maintaining the loyalty of legacy segregationists. He knows that it can happen again.

Re: Even in a Populist Moment, Democrats Are Split on the Problem of Corporate Power

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These days the policy positions of each party are hashed out on social media by non-experts. For both the democrats and the republicans, instead of any sort of research or experts driving public policy decisions, it's instead the things that resonate with your average person's feelings as they scroll through their feed and get engagement. The end result is of course populism. Each election cycle gets us closer to the…

Maybe these researchers and experts should show up and present their suggested positions. People are tired of ivory tower proclamations, and most fundamentally, you need to reach people where they're at. That's just the kind of information ecosystem that we're living in, so people need to adapt. Unfortunately, ignoring the public sphere and pretending that professionals are above such things is why we're now stuck wi…

Experts post on social media all the time, but their voices are not given any weight beyond that of people who aren't experts on the topic.

RFK jr running HHS is the wave of the future. Unfortunately, we will continue to have non-experts who generate high engagement content running policy decisions more and more in the future.

Re: Even in a Populist Moment, Democrats Are Split on the Problem of Corporate Power

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The problems in the US are systemic. There will be no significant change without abolishing the two party system.

Counterpoint: The problems in the US are systemic. There will be no significant change without abolishing unlimited corporate campaign donations.

Agreed. I feel like the Supreme Court abandoned any semblance of critical thinking during the Citizens United v. FEC decision.

Re: Even in a Populist Moment, Democrats Are Split on the Problem of Corporate Power

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The problems in the US are systemic. There will be no significant change without abolishing the two party system.

A lot of people are worried we will soon effectively have a one-party system.

Too late. Its those with money versus those without money. And those without don't count.

And if you work for a living, you don't have money.

Re: Even in a Populist Moment, Democrats Are Split on the Problem of Corporate Power

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These days the policy positions of each party are hashed out on social media by non-experts. For both the democrats and the republicans, instead of any sort of research or experts driving public policy decisions, it's instead the things that resonate with your average person's feelings as they scroll through their feed and get engagement. The end result is of course populism. Each election cycle gets us closer to the…

What experts? You mean the overpaid consultants who dragged the democrats into pathetic ineffectiveness and made them lose against an obviously retarded manchild?

> The end result is of course populism. Each election cycle gets us closer to the policy positions of the Republicans being "Immigrants are bad" and Democrats being "Billionaires are bad".

Except immigrants have nothing to do with how bad things are going, while billionaires (and what they represent) are effectively the architects of this situation. "Billionaires are bad" is an oversimplified, but ultimately correct analysis of the issues of our time.

FDR basically saved the country from fascism with his "robber barons are bad" campaign. I deplore the fall into populism just as much as the next guy, but this is what the situation calls for. Social networks only play a minor part in all of this. Material conditions are degrading, and unrest will only grow until they start improving.

This country's governance has been subservient to capital, basically forever, and unchecked private power is now eating it from the inside. This is what must be fixed if this republic is to have any future, and the populist left is the only band of the political spectrum that at least acknowledges the issue.

Re: Even in a Populist Moment, Democrats Are Split on the Problem of Corporate Power

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These days the policy positions of each party are hashed out on social media by non-experts. For both the democrats and the republicans, instead of any sort of research or experts driving public policy decisions, it's instead the things that resonate with your average person's feelings as they scroll through their feed and get engagement. The end result is of course populism. Each election cycle gets us closer to the…

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    Those damn plebs just have no idea what's best for them.
Most people are not an expert in a single field, much less multiple fields, and never every field.

So yes, we need experts to play a substantial role in running things.

Perhaps even more importantly: it's not solely about what's best for every individual. You know what would be best for me? If the government gave me a free giant SUV that gets 4mpg fuel economy, and also let me drive as fast as I wanted while also subsidizing 90% of my fuel costs. Also it should drive itself so I can sleep while driving.

Sometimes we need to consider what's best for society and the planet, too.

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