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Re: Samsung may end SATA SSD production soon

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Post by wtallis »

poly2it wrote: post #7
xyse53 wrote: post #3

I've noticed there aren't a lot of reasonable home/sb m.2 NVME NAS options for main boards and enclosures. SATA SSD still seems like the way you have to go for a 5 to 8 drive system (boot disk + 4+ raid6).

How well does buying PCIe to M.2 adapters work for a custom NAS? Slot-wise you should be able to get 16 M.2 devices per motherboard with for example a Supermicro consumer board.

Can you point to a specific motherboard? 16 separate PCIe links of any width sounds rather high for a consumer platform.

Re: Samsung may end SATA SSD production soon

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Post by iooi »

8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #12

If Samsung (maybe) ends SSD production and Crucial existing the consumer business, what is the next best alternative for SSD products? I thought Samsung was the de facto choice for high-quality SSD products.

SATA, not NVMe, they will still be making SSDs.

Re: Samsung may end SATA SSD production soon

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Post by toast0 »

poly2it wrote: post #7
xyse53 wrote: post #3

I've noticed there aren't a lot of reasonable home/sb m.2 NVME NAS options for main boards and enclosures. SATA SSD still seems like the way you have to go for a 5 to 8 drive system (boot disk + 4+ raid6).

How well does buying PCIe to M.2 adapters work for a custom NAS? Slot-wise you should be able to get 16 M.2 devices per motherboard with for example a Supermicro consumer board.

The difficulty with pcie to m.2 adapters is you usually can't use bifurcation below x4 and active PCIe switches got very expensive after PCIe 3.0.

Used multiport SATA HBA cards are inexpensive on eBay. Multiport nvme cards are either passive for bifurcation and give you 4x x4 for an x16 slot or are active and very expensive.

I don't see how you get to 16 m.2 devices on a consumer socket without lots of expense.

Re: Samsung may end SATA SSD production soon

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Post by 8cvor6j844qw_d6 »

rpcope1 wrote: post #8
xyse53 wrote: post #3

I've noticed there aren't a lot of reasonable home/sb m.2 NVME NAS options for main boards and enclosures. SATA SSD still seems like the way you have to go for a 5 to 8 drive system (boot disk + 4+ raid6).

It seems like it's rare to find M.2 with the sort of things you'd want in a NAS like PLP, reasonably high DWPD, good controllers, etc. and you've also got to contend with the problem of managing heat in a way I had never seen with 2.5 or 3.5 drives. I would imagine the sort of people doing NVMe for NAS/SAN/servers are all probably using U.2 or U.3 (I know I do).

Its also quite difficult to find 2280 M.2 SATA SSD. Had an old laptop that only takes 2280 M.2 SATA SSD.

Its always one of the 2. M.2 but PCIe/NVMe, or SATA but not M.2.

Re: Samsung may end SATA SSD production soon

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Post by crote »

poly2it wrote: post #7
xyse53 wrote: post #3

I've noticed there aren't a lot of reasonable home/sb m.2 NVME NAS options for main boards and enclosures. SATA SSD still seems like the way you have to go for a 5 to 8 drive system (boot disk + 4+ raid6).

How well does buying PCIe to M.2 adapters work for a custom NAS? Slot-wise you should be able to get 16 M.2 devices per motherboard with for example a Supermicro consumer board.

I don't think there are any consumer boards which support this?

In practice you can put 4 drives in the x16 slot intended for a GPU, 1 drive each in any remaining PCIe slots, plus whatever is available onboard. 8 should be doable, but I doubt you can go beyond 12.

I know there are some $2000 PCIe cards with onboard switches so you can stick 8 NVMe drives on there - even with an x1 upstream connection - but at that point you're better off going for a Threadripper board.

Re: Samsung may end SATA SSD production soon

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Post by poly2it »

wtallis wrote: post #11
poly2it wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How well does buying PCIe to M.2 adapters work for a custom NAS? Slot-wise you should be able to get 16 M.2 devices per motherboard with for example a Supermicro consumer board.

Can you point to a specific motherboard? 16 separate PCIe links of any width sounds rather high for a consumer platform.

C9X299-RPGF

https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/C9X299-RP...

Re: Samsung may end SATA SSD production soon

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Post by crote »

tart-lemonade wrote: post #9

I can't say I'm surprised, but I am disappointed. The SATA SSD market has basically turned into a dumping ground for low quality flash and controllers, with the 870s being the only consistently good drives still in production after Crucial discontinued the MX500. It's the end of an era.

The thing is, what's the market for them?

If you care even remotely about speed, you'll get an NVMe drive. If you're a data hoarder who wants to connect 50 drives, you'll go for spinning rust. Enterprise will go for U.3.

So what's left? An upgrade for grandma's 15-year-old desktop? A borderline-scammy pre-built machine where the listed spec is "1TB SSD" and they used the absolute cheapest drive they can find? Maybe a boot drive for some VM host?

Re: Samsung may end SATA SSD production soon

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Post by nemomarx »

crote wrote: post #18
tart-lemonade wrote: post #9

I can't say I'm surprised, but I am disappointed. The SATA SSD market has basically turned into a dumping ground for low quality flash and controllers, with the 870s being the only consistently good drives still in production after Crucial discontinued the MX500. It's the end of an era.

The thing is, what's the market for them? If you care even remotely about speed, you'll get an NVMe drive. If you're a data hoarder who wants to connect 50 drives, you'll go for spinning rust. Enterprise will go for U.3. So what's left? An upgrade for grandma's 15-year-old desktop? A borderline-scammy pre-built machine where the listed spec is "1TB SSD" and they used the absolute cheapest drive they can find? Maybe a…

Where do you add more storage after you've used your 1-2 nvme slots and the m.2?

I would think an SSD is going to be better than a spinning disc even with the limits of sata if you want to archive things or work with larger data or whatever

Re: Samsung may end SATA SSD production soon

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Post by mwambua »

Neil44 wrote: post #6

Samsung makes fast expensive storage but even cheap storage can max out SATA, hence there's no point Samsung trying to compete in the dwindling SATA space.

Does this mean that we'll start to see SATA replaced with faster interfaces in the future? Something like U.2/U.3 that's currently available to the enterprise?
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