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Why proteins fold and how GPUs help us fold

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Re: Why proteins fold and how GPUs help us fold

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post #4

I got about a page in before finding out this is drivel. The final straw was "AI companies showed up and solved it in an afternoon". No faster way to show you don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah this article is garbage. The real problem with protein-folding is not compute, or training on known configurations only, but figuring out a differentiable loss that is related to the energy configuration of generated new sequences / molecules, and iterative folding and all sorts of other things. It is very much NOT just a "throw lots of data at GPUs" problem.

This is all covered cursorily even by Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaFold#AlphaFold_2_(2020).

Re: Why proteins fold and how GPUs help us fold

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post #6

The secondary structure graphic is entirely wrong. It's full of bad chemical formulas, and I would assume is AI-generated. I'm quite impressed by the amino acid overview graphic. I'm sure all images are AI-generated, and this one is something I didn't expect AI to be able to do yet. There are mistakes in there (e.g. Threenine instead of Threonine, charged amino groups for some amino acids), but it doesn't look immedi…

I think it's just an AI-generated simplification, sucks that it made it to the front page. The subject matter is interesting, I would have loved to have read something written by an expert!

Re: Why proteins fold and how GPUs help us fold

#13

Great article! On a sidenote, what is this new style of writing using small sentences where each sentence is supposed to be a punchline? "And most of those sequences? They don't fold into anything useful. They're junk. They aggregate into clumps. They get degraded by cellular quality control. Only a TINY fraction of possible sequences fold into stable, functional proteins."

Sounds like TEDspeak, only in writing.

Re: Why proteins fold and how GPUs help us fold

#14

Great article! On a sidenote, what is this new style of writing using small sentences where each sentence is supposed to be a punchline? "And most of those sequences? They don't fold into anything useful. They're junk. They aggregate into clumps. They get degraded by cellular quality control. Only a TINY fraction of possible sequences fold into stable, functional proteins."

> what is this new style of writing

Congratulation, you are now able to recognize an AI-generated text.

(As of December 2025 at least, who knows what they will look like next month.)

Re: Why proteins fold and how GPUs help us fold

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post #6

The secondary structure graphic is entirely wrong. It's full of bad chemical formulas, and I would assume is AI-generated. I'm quite impressed by the amino acid overview graphic. I'm sure all images are AI-generated, and this one is something I didn't expect AI to be able to do yet. There are mistakes in there (e.g. Threenine instead of Threonine, charged amino groups for some amino acids), but it doesn't look immedi…

The text structure screams GPT5 sadly, so I would not be surprised if not only the text but the images were wrong.

Re: Why proteins fold and how GPUs help us fold

#16
post #6

The secondary structure graphic is entirely wrong. It's full of bad chemical formulas, and I would assume is AI-generated. I'm quite impressed by the amino acid overview graphic. I'm sure all images are AI-generated, and this one is something I didn't expect AI to be able to do yet. There are mistakes in there (e.g. Threenine instead of Threonine, charged amino groups for some amino acids), but it doesn't look immedi…

I think it's just an AI-generated simplification, sucks that it made it to the front page. The subject matter is interesting, I would have loved to have read something written by an expert!

I would assume so, but I didn't see any smoking guns in the text itself. But I'm also not familiar with the newest models here and their quirks.

Re: Why proteins fold and how GPUs help us fold

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post #6

The secondary structure graphic is entirely wrong. It's full of bad chemical formulas, and I would assume is AI-generated. I'm quite impressed by the amino acid overview graphic. I'm sure all images are AI-generated, and this one is something I didn't expect AI to be able to do yet. There are mistakes in there (e.g. Threenine instead of Threonine, charged amino groups for some amino acids), but it doesn't look immedi…

It’s also not a solved problem unlike what the article claims, unless ‘solved’ doesn’t mean ‘works all the time ‘.

Re: Why proteins fold and how GPUs help us fold

#18
post #4

I got about a page in before finding out this is drivel. The final straw was "AI companies showed up and solved it in an afternoon". No faster way to show you don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know the space, so I found the article interesting. Please explain, what's wrong with it?

See for example the AlphaFold2 presentation linked here: https://predictioncenter.org/casp14/doc/presentations/2020_1.... Some samples that point out where most of the innovations are NOT just "huck a transformer at it":

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Physical insights are built into the network structure, not just a process around it

- End-to-end system directly producing a structure instead of inter-residue distances

- Inductive biases reflect our knowledge of protein physics and geometry

- The positions of residues in the sequence are de-emphasized

- Instead residues that are close in the folded protein need to communicate

- The network iteratively learns a graph of which residues are close, while reasoning over this implicit graph as it is being built

What went badly:

- Manual work required to get a very high-quality Orf8 prediction

- Genetics search works much better on full sequences than individual domains

- Final relaxation required to remove stereochemical violations

What went well

- Building the full pipeline as a single end-to-end deep learning system

- Building physical and geometric notions into the architecture instead of a search process

- Models that predict their own accuracy can be used for model-ranking

- Using model uncertainty as a signal to improve our methods (e.g. training new models to eliminate problems with long chains)

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Also you can read the papers, e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1923-7 (available if you search the title on Google Scholar; also https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03819-2_reference...). There is actual, real good science, physics, and engineering going on here, as compared to e.g. LLMs or computer vision models that are just trained on the internet, and where all the engineering is focused on managing finicky training and compute costs. AlphaFold requires all this and more.

EDIT: Basically, the article makes it sound like deep models just allowed scientists to sidestep all the complicated physics and etc and just magically solve the problem, and while this is arguably somewhat correct for computer vision and much of NLP, this is the exact opposite of the truth for AlphaFold.

Re: Why proteins fold and how GPUs help us fold

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If nature did so well for billions of years, why are we taking over it's job now? Did it ask for your help?

Anytime some talks about large numbers - some galaxy is billions of kilometers away, there are trillions of atoms in universe, trillions of possible combinations for a problem etc - it appears to me that you talking about some problem that doesn't fall into your job description.

Re: Why proteins fold and how GPUs help us fold

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post #6

The secondary structure graphic is entirely wrong. It's full of bad chemical formulas, and I would assume is AI-generated. I'm quite impressed by the amino acid overview graphic. I'm sure all images are AI-generated, and this one is something I didn't expect AI to be able to do yet. There are mistakes in there (e.g. Threenine instead of Threonine, charged amino groups for some amino acids), but it doesn't look immedi…

Yeah, I don't really understand why someone would make a blog and use AI to write the articles. Isn't having a blog more about the joy of writing and the learning you do while writing it?
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