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Re: Midjourney is alemwjsl

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Post by anyfoo »

This is actually pretty common. It's less obvious with Chinese or Japanese, as the input method there usually matches the transliteration based on how the word is spoken (romaji in Japanese, pinyin in Chinese), which of course does not look unusual.

For example, you wouldn't think twice about it if for the Japanese word for washing machine, you not only saw "洗濯機" (which is how it's written in Kanji), but also "sentakuki" or "sentakki" in the search results, because even to non-Japanese speakers it's pretty clear that that's probably the Japanese word for washing machine written with latin character transliteration, and pretty much exactly what you'd say.

With Korean, it looks more jarring, as the input method is apparently very different, and seems to map the keys for unrelated latin letters to Hangul letters? (I have no idea, I don't know anything about Hangul other than it's based on syllables, kind of like Hiragana/Katakana, and apparently very logical.)

Re: Midjourney is alemwjsl

#12

Post by yongjik »

> Turns out that somehow Midjourney is so commonly searched for, that Google has started serving them in search results for a meaningless English phrase that just means a Korean forgot to switch off of their English keyboard when searching for.

BTW, this happens all the time in Korea, because it's extremely common for someone to type something while forgetting to switch to the correct input method. Try these, for example:

    추ㅜ
    gozjsbtm
    elwmsl
    vkdlTjs

Re: Midjourney is alemwjsl

#13

Post by 0x1ch »

GenerocUsername wrote: post #4

Going into article I guessed it s the Dvorak -> Qwerty mismatch. Korean -> English makes more sense.

Language changing layouts was my first guess. For some reason I don't think there's a large venn diagram of dvorak / colemak typists and A.I. enthusiasts.

Re: Midjourney is alemwjsl

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Post by duskwuff »

anyfoo wrote: post #11

This is actually pretty common. It's less obvious with Chinese or Japanese, as the input method there usually matches the transliteration based on how the word is spoken (romaji in Japanese, pinyin in Chinese), which of course does not look unusual. For example, you wouldn't think twice about it if for the Japanese word for washing machine, you not only saw "洗濯機" (which is how it's written in Kanji), but also "sentak…

> With Korean, it looks more jarring, as the input method is apparently very different, and seems to map the keys for unrelated latin letters to Hangul letters?

More or less, yes. Each Hangul character represents a syllable, and is composed of two or more components (jamo) representing individual phonemes (like vowels or consonants) which make up the syllable. The keys on a Korean keyboard are mapped to those jamo.

Further details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_language_and_computers

Re: Midjourney is alemwjsl

#15

Post by _nivlac_ »

floren wrote: post #3

> I scroll up a bit to reread ChatGPT's analysis, and I realize it mentions "transliteration". I have no idea what that word means , so I look it up. How?

Everyone has gaps in their knowledge which can be things that "should be obvious" to others. If someone doesn't know something, they either forgot or haven't learned it yet! I appreciated the author's honesty here.

Re: Midjourney is alemwjsl

#16

Post by [deleted] »

floren wrote: post #7
Avicebron wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case the "writing system" is the set of typos that would occur when someone with an English and Korean keyboard layout forgets to switch off English and keystrokes what they expect would be the Korean. "Midjourney" is "alemwjsl" in that typo writing system

No I mean how do you never come across "transliteration", is that really such an unusual word?

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Re: Midjourney is alemwjsl

#17

Post by alisonkisk »

yorwba wrote: post #2

> It's actually insane the levels of understanding the algorithms that are responsible for serving us information have and how little we, the creators of said algorithms, understand what's going on in said algorithms. Keyboard layout mismatches are common enough that I assume Google has a layout detection stage hardcoded just like they have typo correction hardcoded. And the creators of said algorithms probably under…

Typos could be automatically discovered and indexed one word at a time by watching users search the wrong word (wrong input method) and then search again with the correct input method.

Re: Midjourney is alemwjsl

#18

Post by lifthrasiir »

duskwuff wrote: post #14
anyfoo wrote: post #11

This is actually pretty common. It's less obvious with Chinese or Japanese, as the input method there usually matches the transliteration based on how the word is spoken (romaji in Japanese, pinyin in Chinese), which of course does not look unusual. For example, you wouldn't think twice about it if for the Japanese word for washing machine, you not only saw "洗濯機" (which is how it's written in Kanji), but also "sentak…

> With Korean, it looks more jarring, as the input method is apparently very different, and seems to map the keys for unrelated latin letters to Hangul letters? More or less, yes. Each Hangul character represents a syllable, and is composed of two or more components (jamo) representing individual phonemes (like vowels or consonants) which make up the syllable. The keys on a Korean keyboard are mapped to those jamo. F…

More specifically, since Korean syllables are of the form CV(C) where C is a consonant and V is a vowel, almost all Hangul keyboard layouts divide the entire keyboard into two or three sections (consonant-vowel or initial-medial-final). The standard KS X 5002 layout is the former, a "bipartite" method (두벌식), while I'm using one of the latter, "tripartite" methods (세벌식).

Re: Midjourney is alemwjsl

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Post by lifthrasiir »

Fun fact: intentional input method mismatch is commonly used for censoring profanities among internet streamers. For example, 시발 sibal (approximately corresponds to fuck in its ubiquity) transliterates to "tlqkf", so many Koreans can understand that without a written Korean text. Not that Koreans can generally read transliterated Hangul texts though.

Re: Midjourney is alemwjsl

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Post by lifthrasiir »

yongjik wrote: post #12

> Turns out that somehow Midjourney is so commonly searched for, that Google has started serving them in search results for a meaningless English phrase that just means a Korean forgot to switch off of their English keyboard when searching for. BTW, this happens all the time in Korea, because it's extremely common for someone to type something while forgetting to switch to the correct input method. Try these, for exa…

It gets even better! EBS (한국교육방송 Educational Broadcasting System) is using "듄 dyun" as one of its brands, which is one of such mis-transliterated words. Cyworld [EDIT: got confused], a once-popular SNS in Korea, once went by "쵸재깅 chyojaeging" in the similar way. (Both words have absolutely no meaning in Korean, suggesting that it was transliterated from QWERTY to a Hangul keyboard layout.)
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