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US Department of Homeland Security looking for (more than) a few good drones

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Re: US Department of Homeland Security looking for (more than) a few good drones

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I was watching a documentary the other day about border smuggling - surely it's only a matter of time before drones are used for that, in which case what hope has domestic law enforcement got if they don't go down the same path.

Smugglers have used submarines. Law enforcement has already "no hope", and that is entirely by design. If you want LE and criminals to be equal then you end up in a country run by criminals.

Re: US Department of Homeland Security looking for (more than) a few good drones

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I know this is going to sound like hyperbole, and I apologize, but I believe that the networked computer is a bigger danger to mankind than nuclear weapons. We are completely destroying the innate quality that we've had as humans since we came out of the trees - anonymity and privacy.

I'm not saying technology is bad; I'm no Luddite. But we are entering places in our societal structures that we've never been before even in the strictest police states. Maybe it's grumpy old guy day again, but I do not feel that this is going to turn out well over the long run.

ADD: Of all the things I thought 20 years ago that I might be concerned about in the 2010s, "swarms of flying robots able to watch and record my every move" was not one of them. The future is not only stranger than you imagine; it is stranger than you can imagine. And that's just robotic drone surveillance. There's a dozen other networked technology devices that are much more worrying.

Re: US Department of Homeland Security looking for (more than) a few good drones

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I know this is going to sound like hyperbole, and I apologize, but I believe that the networked computer is a bigger danger to mankind than nuclear weapons. We are completely destroying the innate quality that we've had as humans since we came out of the trees - anonymity and privacy. I'm not saying technology is bad; I'm no Luddite. But we are entering places in our societal structures that we've never been before e…

When you see the video below, it's easy to imagine how likely that future will be if citizens don't care about what their Government is doing and simply let them pass all the bad laws, without any major outrage:

http://falkvinge.net/2012/10/05/plurality-an-amazing-short-f...

We've already seen how advanced western Governments think about stuff like this (in UK, but also in US) - "when it's easy and cheap enough to apply mass-surveillance of all forms of communications, why not do it?". So they'll do it even if it's unconstitutional, once the technology becomes cheap enough and people still don't react to these moves en mass.

There will be new technologies in the future that will simply be irresistible to the Governments that can implement them nation-wide. It's the population's job to be very vigilant about it and make sure they don't abuse them (or use them at all).

Re: US Department of Homeland Security looking for (more than) a few good drones

#14

I was watching a documentary the other day about border smuggling - surely it's only a matter of time before drones are used for that, in which case what hope has domestic law enforcement got if they don't go down the same path.

Preventing drug use has always been a lost cause anyway, there never was hope to be had on that path.

Re: US Department of Homeland Security looking for (more than) a few good drones

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I know this is going to sound like hyperbole, and I apologize, but I believe that the networked computer is a bigger danger to mankind than nuclear weapons. We are completely destroying the innate quality that we've had as humans since we came out of the trees - anonymity and privacy. I'm not saying technology is bad; I'm no Luddite. But we are entering places in our societal structures that we've never been before e…

Perhaps people will get clued in and protest. I'm hoping for a grassroots org to use handheld devices and, in aggregate, constantly monitor all police and lawmakers, posting their every move online.

Re: US Department of Homeland Security looking for (more than) a few good drones

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post #9

There are many perfectly good uses for drones, but we all know the regulatory oversight will be completely negligent and insufficient. It's in light of that that I have to wonder whether drones should just be vilified altogther.

I have to wonder whether drones should just be vilified altogther.

Good question. I can see uses for drones. I know guys who will personally benefit from automation like this.

I say take a hard stand against them: no drones, period.

Because 'give them an inch they'll take a mile' is why.

Re: US Department of Homeland Security looking for (more than) a few good drones

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I know this is going to sound like hyperbole, and I apologize, but I believe that the networked computer is a bigger danger to mankind than nuclear weapons. We are completely destroying the innate quality that we've had as humans since we came out of the trees - anonymity and privacy. I'm not saying technology is bad; I'm no Luddite. But we are entering places in our societal structures that we've never been before e…

We've always been social creatures and when we came out of the trees did we really have anonymity and privacy? Village life has been the norm for most of your history and I believe that anonymity and privacy aren't the norm in village life. Am I wrong?

It seems to me that only since mass urbanization has there been anonymity and privacy and we begin to revert back to the historical mean. Although at a much grander scale. Is it the scale that is the danger? In the past one could leave the village for another location (in theory) and get away from stigma. Maybe now it is much harder.

Of course now there is much more information and many more instances of instant fame. Perhaps the noise will be anonymize us except to the powers that be.

Re: US Department of Homeland Security looking for (more than) a few good drones

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I know this is going to sound like hyperbole, and I apologize, but I believe that the networked computer is a bigger danger to mankind than nuclear weapons. We are completely destroying the innate quality that we've had as humans since we came out of the trees - anonymity and privacy. I'm not saying technology is bad; I'm no Luddite. But we are entering places in our societal structures that we've never been before e…

I'm going to have to disagree with the idea that anonymity and privacy are innate qualities that we've had as humans since we came out of the trees.

I think those are actually innate qualities of civilization not of the human species in general. If you think about it, the savage more or less lived his whole life in the "public eye" of his tribe/village. It was civilization that finally afforded him some privacy.

And that's what I find so troubling about the panopticon society. It somehow feels extremely uncivilized. To the point of savagery.

Re: US Department of Homeland Security looking for (more than) a few good drones

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I was watching a documentary the other day about border smuggling - surely it's only a matter of time before drones are used for that, in which case what hope has domestic law enforcement got if they don't go down the same path.

There was a post here on HN not too long ago about exactly this. Drug cartels using ultralight drones to smuggle drugs across borders.

Found it: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4415508

Re: US Department of Homeland Security looking for (more than) a few good drones

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post #2

UK already has these for police. The Merseyside Police managed to ditch one of theirs into a lake. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-15520279

That does it. I'm defending my airspace with anti-drone drones (until they are illegal).

As soon as I saw the Parrot AR Drone I imagined putting a small stripped down pellet gun on it.

I bet AR Drone will mysteriously become illegal soon.

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