Live data from Hacker News

Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

electrek.co

11–20 of 35 posts

Re: Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

#11

> Even recently, Musk fought back against the notion that Tesla relies on teleoperation for its Optimus demonstration. He specified that a new demo of Optimus doing kung-fu was “AI, not tele-operated” The world's biggest liar, possibly. It's insane to me that laws and regulations haven't stopped him from lying to investors and the public, but that's the world in which we live.

The FCC would have a whole lot to say if he was lying about something like that at a publicly traded company.

Re: Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

#12
post #9
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, Think of the children! [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

No. This is a real issue. If a robot is fully AI powered and doing what it does fully autonomously, then it has a very different risk profile compared to a teleoperated robot. For example, you can be fairly certain that given the current state of AI tech, an AI powered robot has no innate desire to creep on your kids, while a teleoperated robot could very well be operated remotely by a pedophile who is watching your…

I actually agree with you on this. I think those robots are going to be a huge danger for society and everyone (not only children).

But nonetheless I was pointing out that using the "Think of the children" as an argument is a push to emotions rather than a more rational thinking.

Re: Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

#14
post #12
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. This is a real issue. If a robot is fully AI powered and doing what it does fully autonomously, then it has a very different risk profile compared to a teleoperated robot. For example, you can be fairly certain that given the current state of AI tech, an AI powered robot has no innate desire to creep on your kids, while a teleoperated robot could very well be operated remotely by a pedophile who is watching your…

I actually agree with you on this. I think those robots are going to be a huge danger for society and everyone (not only children). But nonetheless I was pointing out that using the "Think of the children" as an argument is a push to emotions rather than a more rational thinking.

Tip risk of furniture is a unique risk for children and is not abstract or far-fetched.

Re: Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

#15

> Even recently, Musk fought back against the notion that Tesla relies on teleoperation for its Optimus demonstration. He specified that a new demo of Optimus doing kung-fu was “AI, not tele-operated” The world's biggest liar, possibly. It's insane to me that laws and regulations haven't stopped him from lying to investors and the public, but that's the world in which we live.

The FCC would have a whole lot to say if he was lying about something like that at a publicly traded company.

What would the FCC do?

The SEC didn't even enforce the whole he can't run his twitter account punishment for tweeting that he took TSLA private at 420.

Re: Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

#16
post #2

All observations about teleoperation aside, it's just really funny to me how the robot appears to knock over the water bottles, throw its hands up in exasperation, and then give up and fall down. It somehow makes it feel more human.

>teleoperation aside ... feel more human

umm, so ignoring it was operated by a human it acted surprisingly human like? :)

Re: Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

#18
post #17

Fred Lambert's blogs about Tesla are always critical and have been proven wrong many times. I would take it with a pinch of salt.

Can you elaborate? I read electrek pretty closely and if anything most of the time Tesla/Elon deny things only for it to be proven true shortly later

Like many many times..

Genuinely like to spot what I missed

Re: Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

#19

> Even recently, Musk fought back against the notion that Tesla relies on teleoperation for its Optimus demonstration. He specified that a new demo of Optimus doing kung-fu was “AI, not tele-operated” The world's biggest liar, possibly. It's insane to me that laws and regulations haven't stopped him from lying to investors and the public, but that's the world in which we live.

Nothing Electrek says can really be taken seriously. They’ve openly said they have an axe to grind

Re: Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

#20
post #2

All observations about teleoperation aside, it's just really funny to me how the robot appears to knock over the water bottles, throw its hands up in exasperation, and then give up and fall down. It somehow makes it feel more human.

I feel many folks are missing the forest for the trees.

1. Build robots to change the narrative around overpriced stock for EV company

2. Align with right wing politicians to eliminate illegal immigration.

3. If AI for robotics is solved, congrats, you eliminated the competition.

4. If AI doesn't pan out, congrats, all the firms relying on illegal immigrants can now buy your robots and have those same illegal immigrants teleoperate the robots from their home countries.

Its like win win for amoral broligarchy

Post reply on HN