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Solution to US debt crisis is severe austerity triggered by a fiscal calamity

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Re: Solution to US debt crisis is severe austerity triggered by a fiscal calamity

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Rather than reading this opinion piece, you can learn more about the “debt crisis” by just studying this chart which shows what percentage of the federal budget goes toward paying off the debt:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYOIGDA188S

The situation is similar to what it was in the late 1980s, and it can mostly likely be managed with the same level of spending restraints we saw in response to that.

Re: Solution to US debt crisis is severe austerity triggered by a fiscal calamity

#12

> How severe? A sustainable U.S. debt trajectory would entail elimination of nearly all defense spending or almost all non-defense discretionary outlays, he estimated. Reminder that infrastructure is ~3% of the budget, the military is ~13%. Almost all of the rest are benefits, either health or money, for old people or various poverty reduction schemes. Or debt. Social Security was made when there were ~130:1 worker:r…

Reminder that social security is funded entirely by a separate tax and not debt, so unless you are planning to cut benefits but continue the tax it would do nothing to reduce the deficit or debt.

Re: Solution to US debt crisis is severe austerity triggered by a fiscal calamity

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gen-X here. I’ve grown up with the warning non-stop that Social Security will become insolvent. My question is this: If I can’t get some or most it, why can’t I steer the money to where I believe the money ought to go?

Because social security tax is simply a tax like any other, and social security is a pay as you go means tested entitlement program like any other. Current workers pay for current retirees. There is no account anywhere with your name on it earmarked for your retirement. It was enacted with lawmakers well knowing this - it was simply marketed in such a way to make it politically possible to enact and keep around long-…

In other words: Ponzi scheme, rather than any sustainable retirement mechanism.

Re: Solution to US debt crisis is severe austerity triggered by a fiscal calamity

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post #11

Rather than reading this opinion piece, you can learn more about the “debt crisis” by just studying this chart which shows what percentage of the federal budget goes toward paying off the debt: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYOIGDA188S The situation is similar to what it was in the late 1980s, and it can mostly likely be managed with the same level of spending restraints we saw in response to that.

> can mostly likely be managed with the same level of spending restraints we saw in response to that.

so... austerity? Like the article suggests?

Re: Solution to US debt crisis is severe austerity triggered by a fiscal calamity

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post #13
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because social security tax is simply a tax like any other, and social security is a pay as you go means tested entitlement program like any other. Current workers pay for current retirees. There is no account anywhere with your name on it earmarked for your retirement. It was enacted with lawmakers well knowing this - it was simply marketed in such a way to make it politically possible to enact and keep around long-…

In other words: Ponzi scheme, rather than any sustainable retirement mechanism.

Without sufficient automation, all forms of retirement are inherently a Ponzi scheme, unless there is a cap to the age or amount of benefits received in retirement.

Re: Solution to US debt crisis is severe austerity triggered by a fiscal calamity

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post #11

Rather than reading this opinion piece, you can learn more about the “debt crisis” by just studying this chart which shows what percentage of the federal budget goes toward paying off the debt: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYOIGDA188S The situation is similar to what it was in the late 1980s, and it can mostly likely be managed with the same level of spending restraints we saw in response to that.

> can mostly likely be managed with the same level of spending restraints we saw in response to that. so... austerity? Like the article suggests?

Was the 1990s austerity “severe”? I remember a lot of complaining at the time, but it doesn’t seem too bad in hindsight.

Re: Solution to US debt crisis is severe austerity triggered by a fiscal calamity

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post #13
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because social security tax is simply a tax like any other, and social security is a pay as you go means tested entitlement program like any other. Current workers pay for current retirees. There is no account anywhere with your name on it earmarked for your retirement. It was enacted with lawmakers well knowing this - it was simply marketed in such a way to make it politically possible to enact and keep around long-…

In other words: Ponzi scheme, rather than any sustainable retirement mechanism.

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Re: Solution to US debt crisis is severe austerity triggered by a fiscal calamity

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post #13
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because social security tax is simply a tax like any other, and social security is a pay as you go means tested entitlement program like any other. Current workers pay for current retirees. There is no account anywhere with your name on it earmarked for your retirement. It was enacted with lawmakers well knowing this - it was simply marketed in such a way to make it politically possible to enact and keep around long-…

In other words: Ponzi scheme, rather than any sustainable retirement mechanism.

It’s a tax. You could describe any beneficiaries of a tax in the same manner; we’re paying taxes to at least partially cover group X - homeless, scientists, military, retirees, veterans, etc.

There’s no debt being paid; money is simply taken from Peter, and money is simply given to Paul.

It’s not a retirement program, it’s retirement subsidization.

Re: Solution to US debt crisis is severe austerity triggered by a fiscal calamity

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> How severe? A sustainable U.S. debt trajectory would entail elimination of nearly all defense spending or almost all non-defense discretionary outlays, he estimated. Reminder that infrastructure is ~3% of the budget, the military is ~13%. Almost all of the rest are benefits, either health or money, for old people or various poverty reduction schemes. Or debt. Social Security was made when there were ~130:1 worker:r…

Any kind of benefits system the middle class does not qualify for will find itself quickly cancelled through elections.

Re: Solution to US debt crisis is severe austerity triggered by a fiscal calamity

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> How severe? A sustainable U.S. debt trajectory would entail elimination of nearly all defense spending or almost all non-defense discretionary outlays, he estimated. Reminder that infrastructure is ~3% of the budget, the military is ~13%. Almost all of the rest are benefits, either health or money, for old people or various poverty reduction schemes. Or debt. Social Security was made when there were ~130:1 worker:r…

Gen-X here. I’ve grown up with the warning non-stop that Social Security will become insolvent. My question is this: If I can’t get some or most it, why can’t I steer the money to where I believe the money ought to go?

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