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Wave of (Open Street Map) Vandalism in South Korea

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Re: Wave of (Open Street Map) Vandalism in South Korea

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

lolc wrote: post #7
idoubtit wrote: post #4

So, a handful of persons "believe that OpenStreetMap is a creation of Chinese communists" and are removing specific data from OpenStreetMap, and the OP explains why this is stupid but innocuous. But that's not the first time that a community is tagged "Chinese communists" and attacked as such. Now imagine if some maga/alt-right/whatever leaders asked their followers to attack the "communist" OpenStreetMap by injectin…

Ask Wikipedia how they are dealing with this shit. Openstreetmap is a rather unlikely target, so it's news.

> Ask Wikipedia how they are dealing with this shit.

They aren't. Wikipedia has been taken over by special interest groups and political agencies for a long, long time now.

Re: Wave of (Open Street Map) Vandalism in South Korea

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Post by subversiontaco »

The Korean gov’t employs small Korean AI companies to build bots thats endlessly scrape the internet and harass websites that post unfavorable content about Korea. They label it as “korean error news,” but the standard boils down to more or less “anything that speaks of Korean in negative light.”

This gives off the same vibes. But this is Korea. They will probably give up in a month or so and move on to whatever else they think will help make them rich overnight.

Re: Wave of (Open Street Map) Vandalism in South Korea

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Post by port11 »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #11
lolc wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask Wikipedia how they are dealing with this shit. Openstreetmap is a rather unlikely target, so it's news.

> Ask Wikipedia how they are dealing with this shit. They aren't. Wikipedia has been taken over by special interest groups and political agencies for a long, long time now.

Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence?

Re: Wave of (Open Street Map) Vandalism in South Korea

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Post by akimbostrawman »

lolc wrote: post #7
idoubtit wrote: post #4

So, a handful of persons "believe that OpenStreetMap is a creation of Chinese communists" and are removing specific data from OpenStreetMap, and the OP explains why this is stupid but innocuous. But that's not the first time that a community is tagged "Chinese communists" and attacked as such. Now imagine if some maga/alt-right/whatever leaders asked their followers to attack the "communist" OpenStreetMap by injectin…

Ask Wikipedia how they are dealing with this shit. Openstreetmap is a rather unlikely target, so it's news.

they aren't because they are long fully captured

Re: Wave of (Open Street Map) Vandalism in South Korea

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Post by threatofrain »

throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #8
threatofrain wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bad actors, especially state actors, will have no problem getting this data. Everything that costs will cost to the degree that it costs. Putting the chocolate milk on the top shelf is enough to encourage children to buy less chocolate milk. The data you're talking about? The place I work at is the one doing the hard boots on the ground labor for aerial data, and from that perspective nothing is easy or free. One can…

Easier access does lower the bar for amateurs and increase the risk of damage but these are two separate things. GP said architects should anticipate bad actors and i'd add a "no matter their size". Putting the chokolate milk high up the shelf helps as long as children are small and dumb. Security by too-high-cost only effects poor, lone and unimaginative actors.

So it's time to release our internal aerial photography, because cost only affects poor actors? Like no, cost is cost to the degree it costs.

Re: Wave of (Open Street Map) Vandalism in South Korea

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

port11 wrote: post #13
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ask Wikipedia how they are dealing with this shit. They aren't. Wikipedia has been taken over by special interest groups and political agencies for a long, long time now.

Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence?

Where is the exceptional claim?

If anything, the preposterous idea that Wikipedia is somehow the only resource immune to shilling and political influence is the exceptional claim.

Re: Wave of (Open Street Map) Vandalism in South Korea

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Post by scraptor »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #11
lolc wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask Wikipedia how they are dealing with this shit. Openstreetmap is a rather unlikely target, so it's news.

> Ask Wikipedia how they are dealing with this shit. They aren't. Wikipedia has been taken over by special interest groups and political agencies for a long, long time now.

So how are the special interest groups keeping their enemies out?

Re: Wave of (Open Street Map) Vandalism in South Korea

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Post by lolc »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #14
lolc wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask Wikipedia how they are dealing with this shit. Openstreetmap is a rather unlikely target, so it's news.

they aren't because they are long fully captured

Wikipedia is fully captured by vandalism?

Re: Wave of (Open Street Map) Vandalism in South Korea

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #16
port11 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence?

Where is the exceptional claim? If anything, the preposterous idea that Wikipedia is somehow the only resource immune to shilling and political influence is the exceptional claim.

No; the burden of proof lies with the affirmative. To require someone to prove that they are NOT guilty of corruption is unfair (and also irrational)
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