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Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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Post by colingauvin »

>Vaccinated individuals were older than unvaccinated individuals (mean [SD] age, 38.0 [11.8] years vs 37.1 [11.4] years), more frequently women (11 688 603 [51.3%] vs 2 876 039 [48.5%]) and had more cardiometabolic comorbidities (2 126 250 [9.3%] vs 464 596 [7.8%]).

This is interesting because of "supposed" cardiovascular effects of the vaccine that many folks were worried about. Even more confounding is the gender differences. You'd think skewing women would skew away from cardiovascular issues.

An alternate interpretation is that the at risk cardio unvaccinated died of COVID for some reason.

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Post by jchw »

dalbaugh wrote: post #5

Unfortunately, I don't think any additional evidence will convince vaccine skeptics of the safety of mRNA vaccines

Personally, I am glad to see it. I definitely got vaccinated as soon as I could, but I was also still nervous as there did seem to be some level of reasonable doubt. I would be happy to see more studies confirm what many consider to be obvious.

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Post by technothrasher »

infamouscow wrote: post #7
dalbaugh wrote: post #5

Unfortunately, I don't think any additional evidence will convince vaccine skeptics of the safety of mRNA vaccines

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> would you behave any different than a skeptic?

It is unclear what you mean by "skeptic"? Are you speaking of rational skepticism, or reactionary denial?

Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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Post by estearum »

infamouscow wrote: post #7
dalbaugh wrote: post #5

Unfortunately, I don't think any additional evidence will convince vaccine skeptics of the safety of mRNA vaccines

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But the results weren't the opposite.

One of the upsides of being evidence-driven is it's harder to paint yourself into a corner and put yourself at high risk of having your entire worldview flipped upside down by run of the mill, predictable scientific results.

By and large, consensus views are correct. Only a true idiot would make an identity out of disagreeing with consensus by virtue of it being consensus.

Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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Post by ericmay »

infamouscow wrote: post #7
dalbaugh wrote: post #5

Unfortunately, I don't think any additional evidence will convince vaccine skeptics of the safety of mRNA vaccines

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Yes, but it would depend on the results.

The problem is that most people are bad at risk assessment. If COVID-19 vaccine increased their risk of premature death by .0000001% they point to that and say sure not taking my risk! Despite the fact that they'd be at much more risk of dying by getting the disease, or just hopping in their car and driving down the street to get a loaf of bread of whatever.

If you showed say, a 1% uptick in mortality that you could attribute to the vaccine, yea that would be a different story. But guess what? We wouldn't* release such a vaccine.

* I add an asterisk here because if it was a 1% uptick in mortality you can think of scenarios like a disease which kills you 50% of the time or something around that range as being a worthwhile trade off for a 1% rate.

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

infamouscow wrote: post #7
dalbaugh wrote: post #5

Unfortunately, I don't think any additional evidence will convince vaccine skeptics of the safety of mRNA vaccines

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If the results were the opposite they'd be shockingly in conflict with what we've already learned and observed, so yes, we would of course react differently.

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Post by lentil_soup »

sa-code wrote: post #4

> no increased risk of all-cause mortality > study including 22.7 million vaccinated individuals and 5.9 million unvaccinated individuals These are the important bits for the non medical folks

And this bit:

"vaccinated individuals had a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID-19 and no increased risk of all-cause mortality"

Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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Post by jandrese »

I have to admit I checked the author on this paper. No surprise it is from outside of the US. It's hard to imagine a US institution releasing a scientific study that directly contradicts the administration's viewpoints out of fear of reprisal via loss of funding or even shakedowns.

I just hope this doesn't elicit some unhinged Truth Social post about evil Frenchmen trying to poison our bodies.

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