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Re: Stop talking

#11

Post by shadowgovt »

catigula wrote: post #3

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That might be because the thing is whole-cloth generated from AI, but given that the author has a .in email address, it also might be that English is not their first language but they want to reach a broader audience with their message so they used AI to translate it into the lingua franca of modern technical and scientific discussion (which is, this is always funny to me, not franca).

AI generators do a better job of conversational output than traditional language translators (although there is a risk that if you can't read the target language as a non-native speaker, it can distort or destroy the message).

Re: Stop talking

#14

Post by mdorazio »

catigula wrote: post #10
CharlesW wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"AI detectors" are snake oil. https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-detectors-dont-wo...

1. I determined the post was AI myself. The detector was merely to satisfy someone disingenuously asking for "proof". 2. This one works. It's peer-reviewed.

Determined how?

Re: Stop talking

#15

Post by shadowgovt »

leetrout wrote: post #6
giancarlostoro wrote: post #2

I get it. This is roughly me, I don't always have the best answers, but I know most things can always be done better. I've coined a few different terms over the years such as "marketing driven development" when I wind up working in places where the marketing team is driving the devs off a cliff, and pushing new features at the expense of ever having time to deal with technical debt. The industry really needs "Tech De…

I didn't RTFA - just responding to you: > Tech Debt Thursdays Yes, "Fix it Fridays" is another alliteration. Have you ever heard the phrase "man your battle stations"? Turns out in the US Navy there is also "cleaning stations" and there is a call for all hands to cleaning stations on the regular. I have proposed something similar on a few teams I've been on. Daily won't work and quarterly is too long. The problem is…

As of late, I've been thinking about how "debt" may not be the right metaphor.

Fiscal debt is a one-dimensional number that becomes higher or lower from some offset, but it can't change direction. There's no "complex numbers debt."

But software engineering is only one-dimensional if your problem domain is so constrained that the only roadblock to execution is time-at-keyboard, and that's rarely the case in most software (especially startups and hacking). I've too often seen that debt just "evaporates" when the company pivots or the entire system is replaced by another system or rendered completely irrelevant to continue accepting the notion that debt works as a metaphor. Even in the small, too often I've seen things flagged as, for example: "debt - we should consolidate these two pipelines on top of a smaller set of helpers" only to see the use of the pipelines diverge over time such that it turned out to be a great first step to keep them separate and duplicated.

Sometimes things to be improved / cleaned up are obvious, but cleanup assumes taking disorder and making order out of it, and that requires us to know what order even looks like.

Re: Stop talking

#16

Post by catigula »

mdorazio wrote: post #14
catigula wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. I determined the post was AI myself. The detector was merely to satisfy someone disingenuously asking for "proof". 2. This one works. It's peer-reviewed.

Determined how?

By having native English language proficiency and an IQ above 100.

This isn't even particularly good slop. If you can't identify this, we're entering a not so good space.

Anyhow, I'd recommend you roll away from this hill because it's really not worth dying on. Common sense and peer reviewed slop detection aren't working for you. I provided my opinion and backed it with evidence. That's why I posted what I did.

Re: Stop talking

#17

Post by catigula »

shadowgovt wrote: post #11
catigula wrote: post #3

[flagged]

That might be because the thing is whole-cloth generated from AI, but given that the author has a .in email address, it also might be that English is not their first language but they want to reach a broader audience with their message so they used AI to translate it into the lingua franca of modern technical and scientific discussion (which is, this is always funny to me, not franca ). AI generators do a better job…

Regardless, presenting AI generated content without the disclaimer *I AI GENERATED THIS CONTENT. IF YOU THINK MY MOST LIKELY BRIEF AND LOW-EFFORT PROMPT JUSTIFIES YOU READING POTENTIALLY LARGE AMOUNTS OF AI OUTPUT, CONTINUE* as if it's worth reading is something a lot of people aren't okay with.

I actually find it an insulting imposition on my time. I don't think this is unreasonable or even unusual.

Re: Stop talking

#18

Post by jetru »

vrnvu wrote: post #8

Everyone can talk and give opinions. The real question is if you can actually make a difference. I tell people there's a gap between knowing how to do something and actually doing it. And that gap is a big part of our engineering skills. If I'm not going to change something, I'd rather not talk or give opinions. Related: https://strangestloop.io/essays/things-that-arent-doing-the-...

This is a better way to say it.

Talking at the right place at the right time on the right topic is.

Re: Stop talking

#19

Post by GuinansEyebrows »

what this misses (and unfortunately is not always an option, especially in larger orgs) is that instead of talking (read: complaining), just fix the damn thing and present the solution on a platter (on company time, of course). more often than not, if you've already addressed the issue and it's ready for primetime, people will not refuse the change.

if they do, there's an equal chance that you either didn't understand the situation to begin with, or you work in a team with poor leadership and strategy. learn from the former, leave the latter.

Re: Stop talking

#20

Post by cindyllm »

hyperhello wrote: post #9

Strategically, “stop talking” means nothing unless you would otherwise be slamming out ideas. You don’t need people who don’t talk, we have plants for that. You need your silence to say something.

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