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Mistral 3 family of models released

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Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by prodigycorp »

simgt wrote: post #4

I still don't understand what the incentive is for releasing genuinely good model weights. What makes sense however is OpenAI releasing a somewhat generic model like gpt-oss that games the benchmarks just for PR. Or some Chinese companies doing the same to cut the ground from under the feet of American big tech. Are we really hopeful we'll still get decent open weights models in the future?

gpt-oss are really solid models. by far the best at tool calling, and performant.

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by talliman »

simgt wrote: post #4

I still don't understand what the incentive is for releasing genuinely good model weights. What makes sense however is OpenAI releasing a somewhat generic model like gpt-oss that games the benchmarks just for PR. Or some Chinese companies doing the same to cut the ground from under the feet of American big tech. Are we really hopeful we'll still get decent open weights models in the future?

Until there is a sustainable, profitable and moat-building business model for generative AI, the competition is not to have the best proprietary model, but rather to raise the most VC money to be well positioned when that business model does arise.

Releasing a near stat-of-the-art open model instanly catapults companies to a valuation of several billion dollars, making it possible raise money to acquire GPUs and train more SOTA models.

Now, what happens if such a business model does not emerge? I hope we won't find out!

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by janpio »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #7

Looks like their own HF link is broken or the collection hasn't been made public yet. The 14B instruct model is here: https://huggingface.co/mistralai/Ministral-3-14B-Instruct-25... The unsloth quants are here: https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Ministral-3-14B-Instruct-2512...

Seems fixed now:

https://huggingface.co/collections/mistralai/mistral-large-3

https://huggingface.co/collections/mistralai/ministral-3

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by tucnak »

If the claims on multilingual and pretraining performance are accurate, this is huge! This may be the best-in-class multilingual stuff since the more recent Gemma's, where they used to be unmatched. I know Americans don't care much about the rest of the world, but we're still using our native tongues thank you very much; there is a huge issue with i.e. Ukrainian (as opposed to Russian) being underrepresented in many open-weight and weight-available models. Gemma used to be a notable exception, I wonder if it's still the case. On a different note: I wonder why scores on TriviaQA vis-a-vis 14b model lags behind Gemma 12b so much; that one is not a formatting-heavy benchmark.

Re: Mistral 3 family of models released

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Post by ot »

GaggiX wrote: post #17
sebzim4500 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's unfair to Europe. A bunch of AI work is done in London (Deepmind is based here for a start)

London is not part of Europe anymore since Brexit /s

Is it so hard for people to understand that Europe is a continent, EU is a federation of European countries, and the two are not the same?
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