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Re: Stackoverflow Outage

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Post by arbol »

Etheryte wrote: post #9
John7878781 wrote: post #3

Stack Overflow is no longer relevant. Today, you can just ask Gemini, Claude, or ChatGPT instead, and you don’t have to deal with the usual condescension.

I can see where you might get that sentiment, but where do you plan to go when new tech rolls around, the docs don't cut it and your LLM of choice hallucinates APIs that don't exist? This was always Stackoverflow's bread and butter, and people who only use it as noob search tend to miss that fact. SO can be a tough crowd, yes, but mostly it's people who didn't read the rules before posting who get burnt. That aside,…

LLM clients like chatgpt can scrape the code of new tech on demand. They tend not to hallucinate when you provide fixed inputs like this.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

#12

Post by ndespres »

John7878781 wrote: post #3

Stack Overflow is no longer relevant. Today, you can just ask Gemini, Claude, or ChatGPT instead, and you don’t have to deal with the usual condescension.

Growing grains is no longer relevant. You can just walk into any supermarket and purchase packaged cereals, breads, and cakes, and you don’t have to deal with operating a tractor, cultivating soil, or sowing seeds.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

#13

Post by arbol »

torben-friis wrote: post #7
John7878781 wrote: post #3

Stack Overflow is no longer relevant. Today, you can just ask Gemini, Claude, or ChatGPT instead, and you don’t have to deal with the usual condescension.

How much of that LLM output is the result of adding SO’s content to the pot? And if usage declines, what will be feed future LLMs with?

SO is probably a very significant factor in the success of LLMs but it's decline will not affect LLM development. LLMs will simply be trained on the conversations people are having with them.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

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Post by protocolture »

Etheryte wrote: post #9
John7878781 wrote: post #3

Stack Overflow is no longer relevant. Today, you can just ask Gemini, Claude, or ChatGPT instead, and you don’t have to deal with the usual condescension.

I can see where you might get that sentiment, but where do you plan to go when new tech rolls around, the docs don't cut it and your LLM of choice hallucinates APIs that don't exist? This was always Stackoverflow's bread and butter, and people who only use it as noob search tend to miss that fact. SO can be a tough crowd, yes, but mostly it's people who didn't read the rules before posting who get burnt. That aside,…

>I can see where you might get that sentiment, but where do you plan to go when new tech rolls around, the docs don't cut it and your LLM of choice hallucinates APIs that don't exist?

Not Stackoverflow, because all my questions are either ignored or closed, even when extremely detailed and unique.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

#15

Post by blueflow »

ndespres wrote: post #12
John7878781 wrote: post #3

Stack Overflow is no longer relevant. Today, you can just ask Gemini, Claude, or ChatGPT instead, and you don’t have to deal with the usual condescension.

Growing grains is no longer relevant. You can just walk into any supermarket and purchase packaged cereals, breads, and cakes, and you don’t have to deal with operating a tractor, cultivating soil, or sowing seeds.

The equivalent of "growing grains" would be reading the documentation - SO is second-hand knowledge.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

#16

Post by kruuuder »

torben-friis wrote: post #7
John7878781 wrote: post #3

Stack Overflow is no longer relevant. Today, you can just ask Gemini, Claude, or ChatGPT instead, and you don’t have to deal with the usual condescension.

How much of that LLM output is the result of adding SO’s content to the pot? And if usage declines, what will be feed future LLMs with?

Blog posts and GitHub discussions come to my mind. That's where I often find answers to my questions and where I contribute.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

#18

Post by [deleted] »

arbol wrote: post #13
torben-friis wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of that LLM output is the result of adding SO’s content to the pot? And if usage declines, what will be feed future LLMs with?

SO is probably a very significant factor in the success of LLMs but it's decline will not affect LLM development. LLMs will simply be trained on the conversations people are having with them.

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Re: Stackoverflow Outage

#19

Post by John7878781 »

Etheryte wrote: post #9
John7878781 wrote: post #3

Stack Overflow is no longer relevant. Today, you can just ask Gemini, Claude, or ChatGPT instead, and you don’t have to deal with the usual condescension.

I can see where you might get that sentiment, but where do you plan to go when new tech rolls around, the docs don't cut it and your LLM of choice hallucinates APIs that don't exist? This was always Stackoverflow's bread and butter, and people who only use it as noob search tend to miss that fact. SO can be a tough crowd, yes, but mostly it's people who didn't read the rules before posting who get burnt. That aside,…

While LLMs may have used Stack Overflow data to get their start, I think it's reasonable to assume that this source of training data will no longer continue to be useful.

Therefore, as both a data source and a QA website, Stack Overflow has lost its relevance.

Re: Stackoverflow Outage

#20

Post by torben-friis »

arbol wrote: post #13
torben-friis wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of that LLM output is the result of adding SO’s content to the pot? And if usage declines, what will be feed future LLMs with?

SO is probably a very significant factor in the success of LLMs but it's decline will not affect LLM development. LLMs will simply be trained on the conversations people are having with them.

I either misunderstand or disagree with that idea:

People go to the llm to request help. How is that conversation going to be a good source to increase future knowledge?

No one is going to ChatGPT to explain to it how they solved a problem.

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