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The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy

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Re: The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy

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Post by mannyv »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #8
gherkinnn wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read it top to bottom and didn't get that impression.

There are all of the usual signs. Overuse of em-dashes (34 of them), overuse of colons (41 of them), overuse of lists of three items comma-separated, incoherent overusage of bold text, overly terse "x → y" lists. Some excerpts that are particularly obvious: > Approve a drug that kills: massive public scandal, congressional hearings, career destruction—the action is visible, attributable, punishable. Delay a drug that…

There are people IRL that actually use em dashes and colons.

Just because em-dash usage is the latest trend in "spot the AI" doesn't mean that everything with an em-dash is AI generated.

Re: The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy

#12

Post by ahoka »

eqvinox wrote: post #6

> how it became encoded into Western institutions, > This is not a human universal. Continental Civil Law systems (France, Germany) criminalize failure to rescue Might want to phrase "western institutions" a bit more precisely. The parts of Europe I know have good protections for Samaritans & the article itself even acknowledges some of this too.

Very weird. Europe is not “West”? Then what is? The Anglosphere? What kind of defaultism the author suffers?

Re: The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy

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Post by rkomorn »

ahoka wrote: post #12
eqvinox wrote: post #6

> how it became encoded into Western institutions, > This is not a human universal. Continental Civil Law systems (France, Germany) criminalize failure to rescue Might want to phrase "western institutions" a bit more precisely. The parts of Europe I know have good protections for Samaritans & the article itself even acknowledges some of this too.

Very weird. Europe is not “West”? Then what is? The Anglosphere? What kind of defaultism the author suffers?

Especially Western Europe, which is most definitely part of "the West" (by virtue of its political alignment, not its geographical location).

Re: The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy

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Post by anonymous908213 »

mannyv wrote: post #11
anonymous908213 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are all of the usual signs. Overuse of em-dashes (34 of them), overuse of colons (41 of them), overuse of lists of three items comma-separated, incoherent overusage of bold text, overly terse "x → y" lists. Some excerpts that are particularly obvious: > Approve a drug that kills: massive public scandal, congressional hearings, career destruction—the action is visible, attributable, punishable. Delay a drug that…

There are people IRL that actually use em dashes and colons. Just because em-dash usage is the latest trend in "spot the AI" doesn't mean that everything with an em-dash is AI generated.

People do not typically use a combined 75 of them in one short essay, and I pointed out several other reasons. Do you know many people IRL who use a colon/em-dash in almost every single paragraph they write, while also just so happening to mimick multiple other LLM writing patterns? Please do not be so childishly reductive. If my comment could be reduced to "it contains em-dashes", then the comment I would've wrote would be "it contains em-dashes".

Re: The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy

#15

Post by iberator »

In Poland all you are allowed is literally calling the cops/medics. It's easy to get convicted if you hurt an attacker on self defence.

You are not allowed to use let's say knife to protect yourself from random attack on the street.

Actually attacking some random person in the middle of the day (sucker punch) is not even a crime prosecuted by the law... Even if you are bleeding and the attack is not provoked in any way.

Insanity

Re: The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy

#16

Post by StopDisinfo910 »

Svip wrote: post #5

Amusing the title is the "Copenhagen Trap" (I know it's a reference to the Copenhagen Interpretation), since Denmark actually have laws about duty to help. The Danish penal code § 253[1] punishes people with up to 2 years in prison, those who - without high risk to themselves or others - intentionally do not help someone after ability, who is clearly life threatened. Additionally, the Danish rules of the road § 9[2]…

It's the same in France with "Non assistance à personne en danger” literally ”Not helping someone in danger" and the assistance expected is proportional to your immediate ability. A doctor who would not try to help someone injured is liable for example. There are precedents.

Weird use of "the West" here.

Re: The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy

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Post by defrost »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #16
Svip wrote: post #5

Amusing the title is the "Copenhagen Trap" (I know it's a reference to the Copenhagen Interpretation), since Denmark actually have laws about duty to help. The Danish penal code § 253[1] punishes people with up to 2 years in prison, those who - without high risk to themselves or others - intentionally do not help someone after ability, who is clearly life threatened. Additionally, the Danish rules of the road § 9[2]…

It's the same in France with "Non assistance à personne en danger” literally ”Not helping someone in danger" and the assistance expected is proportional to your immediate ability. A doctor who would not try to help someone injured is liable for example. There are precedents. Weird use of "the West" here.

I grew up in the West (Australia) - for locals it's almost unthinkable that you wouldn't help someone that needed a hand, eg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YORxs9E2Ex0

is unremarkable save for the fact that the rest of the world thought it unusual.

Many people are members of volunteer organisations, SES (Search and Rescue), St. John's (Ambulance and medical first responce), VFRS (Volunteer Firefighters) etc.

Re: The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy

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Post by zyngaro »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #16
Svip wrote: post #5

Amusing the title is the "Copenhagen Trap" (I know it's a reference to the Copenhagen Interpretation), since Denmark actually have laws about duty to help. The Danish penal code § 253[1] punishes people with up to 2 years in prison, those who - without high risk to themselves or others - intentionally do not help someone after ability, who is clearly life threatened. Additionally, the Danish rules of the road § 9[2]…

It's the same in France with "Non assistance à personne en danger” literally ”Not helping someone in danger" and the assistance expected is proportional to your immediate ability. A doctor who would not try to help someone injured is liable for example. There are precedents. Weird use of "the West" here.

This law is specific to situations of imminent or actual physical harm. Also notice the way the law is formulated: non-assistance (negative) and not a an explicit duty to assist (positive).

Re: The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy

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Post by tensegrist »

mannyv wrote: post #11
anonymous908213 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are all of the usual signs. Overuse of em-dashes (34 of them), overuse of colons (41 of them), overuse of lists of three items comma-separated, incoherent overusage of bold text, overly terse "x → y" lists. Some excerpts that are particularly obvious: > Approve a drug that kills: massive public scandal, congressional hearings, career destruction—the action is visible, attributable, punishable. Delay a drug that…

There are people IRL that actually use em dashes and colons. Just because em-dash usage is the latest trend in "spot the AI" doesn't mean that everything with an em-dash is AI generated.

please don't defend this atrocious llm writing style (and thus, implicitly, the broader issue of people outsourcing writing to llms) by picking random aspects thereof and pointing out that there are human writers who share them

t. someone who uses a lot of em-dashes and doesn't plan to stop

Re: The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy

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Post by tensegrist »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #8
gherkinnn wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read it top to bottom and didn't get that impression.

There are all of the usual signs. Overuse of em-dashes (34 of them), overuse of colons (41 of them), overuse of lists of three items comma-separated, incoherent overusage of bold text, overly terse "x → y" lists. Some excerpts that are particularly obvious: > Approve a drug that kills: massive public scandal, congressional hearings, career destruction—the action is visible, attributable, punishable. Delay a drug that…

the headings alone are enough
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