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Ellen Pao Says Kleiner Perkins Has Now Fired Her

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"If EA were some kind of exploitative entity, wouldn't we have heard about it sooner? Wouldn't we have heard about it from multiple people? Instead, it's coming from someone whose husband clearly had trouble climbing the career ladder at the firm." [Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Hoffman ] Given the problems that suing your employer is likely to give you, few people do so even if their employer is reall…

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"If EA were some kind of exploitative entity, wouldn't we have heard about it sooner? Wouldn't we have heard about it from multiple people? Instead, it's coming from someone whose husband clearly had trouble climbing the career ladder at the firm." [Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Hoffman ] Given the problems that suing your employer is likely to give you, few people do so even if their employer is reall…

Agreed, moreover even if KPCB is not an "exploitative entity" as whole, it is possible this was a single case of harassment and retaliation by this guy - so there may not be multiple victims to speak up. When this kind of thing happens many companies don't know how to deal with it appropriately and maybe they didn't.

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I have no idea who this person is. From what I understand she sued her employer because she claims she "was shut out of promotions" and did (or did not) get fired. Then she used Quora to tell the world she was fired. Her employer replied saying she was not fired, but is "in a successful career transition".

I suppose she was done working anywhere. Who would want to hire someone like that?

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I have no idea who this person is. From what I understand she sued her employer because she claims she "was shut out of promotions" and did (or did not) get fired. Then she used Quora to tell the world she was fired. Her employer replied saying she was not fired, but is "in a successful career transition". I suppose she was done working anywhere . Who would want to hire someone like that?

I would hire someone like that. People who are not afraid to stand up and speak loudly when they feel that they have been mistreated are a valuable asset, assuming that you don't mistreat them. For everyone who runs their company on secrets, bullshit and idiocy, they are a terrible liability.

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I have no idea who this person is. From what I understand she sued her employer because she claims she "was shut out of promotions" and did (or did not) get fired. Then she used Quora to tell the world she was fired. Her employer replied saying she was not fired, but is "in a successful career transition". I suppose she was done working anywhere . Who would want to hire someone like that?

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I have no idea who this person is. From what I understand she sued her employer because she claims she "was shut out of promotions" and did (or did not) get fired. Then she used Quora to tell the world she was fired. Her employer replied saying she was not fired, but is "in a successful career transition". I suppose she was done working anywhere . Who would want to hire someone like that?

I would hire someone like that. People who are not afraid to stand up and speak loudly when they feel that they have been mistreated are a valuable asset, assuming that you don't mistreat them. For everyone who runs their company on secrets, bullshit and idiocy, they are a terrible liability.

You said it exactly: "They feel that they have been mistreated... It's a feeling and you can never control how someone feels. At her level I would expect her to be professional about it and communicate within the team about her feelings. I don't think suing and posting on Quora helps her or the company involved. That was 100% "feelings" as well. Not professional.

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I'm surprised it took so long, actually. What did she expect? Suing her employer makes her a massive liability to the firm. The only thing keeping her there was how a firing would reflect on the case and in the press. KPCB must've decided that the bad press was the better alternative (and rightly so, IMHO).

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I have no idea who this person is. From what I understand she sued her employer because she claims she "was shut out of promotions" and did (or did not) get fired. Then she used Quora to tell the world she was fired. Her employer replied saying she was not fired, but is "in a successful career transition". I suppose she was done working anywhere . Who would want to hire someone like that?

I would hire someone like that. People who are not afraid to stand up and speak loudly when they feel that they have been mistreated are a valuable asset, assuming that you don't mistreat them. For everyone who runs their company on secrets, bullshit and idiocy, they are a terrible liability.

You are saying you would hire the accuser before her case is even sorted out? Why do you assume her version of events are true, and her employer's version false?

Just because you don't get the promotion you feel entitled to, doesn't mean you should sue your employer for discrimination.

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I would hire someone like that. People who are not afraid to stand up and speak loudly when they feel that they have been mistreated are a valuable asset, assuming that you don't mistreat them. For everyone who runs their company on secrets, bullshit and idiocy, they are a terrible liability.

You said it exactly: "They feel that they have been mistreated... It's a feeling and you can never control how someone feels. At her level I would expect her to be professional about it and communicate within the team about her feelings. I don't think suing and posting on Quora helps her or the company involved. That was 100% "feelings" as well. Not professional.

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You are right that it's often tactically the wrong decision to post about an ongoing dispute. I will give you that. I'd be surprised if any attorney would recommend for her to post on Quora about the termination while the suit was ongoing.

However, this one-sided "professionalism" whereby people are expected to keep the secrets of employers who fuck them over is disgusting. That expectation exists because there's a power relationship, and because society really hasn't advanced much out of the Dark Ages, and not for any good moral reason.

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