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Editing a young-earth creationist book with ChatGPT-5

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Re: Editing a young-earth creationist book with ChatGPT-5

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Post by andsoitis »

Egret wrote: post #5
andsoitis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How old is the earth?

If you use a philosophical uniformitarian interpretation of the amount of process that has occurred on earth or in the cosmos, you will get a figure of hundreds of millions of years or even billions of years. We do not dispute the amount of process. We deny philosophical uniformitarianism, which is an atheistic presupposition. The age of the earth, according to a reasonable interpretation of the Old Testament, is lik…

The age of the earth, according to a reasonable interpretation of the Old Testament, is likely to be 6000 (Masoretic text) to 8500 years (if you rely on the Septuagint versions).

Are you saying the earth is less than 10,000 old?

Re: Editing a young-earth creationist book with ChatGPT-5

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Post by defrost »

Egret wrote: post #5
andsoitis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How old is the earth?

If you use a philosophical uniformitarian interpretation of the amount of process that has occurred on earth or in the cosmos, you will get a figure of hundreds of millions of years or even billions of years. We do not dispute the amount of process. We deny philosophical uniformitarianism, which is an atheistic presupposition. The age of the earth, according to a reasonable interpretation of the Old Testament, is lik…

Alternatively for reasonable interpretations of calcite deposition rates, other mineralisation layering rates, uranium series decay rates, and other STEM processes it's clear the earth is at the very least more than 40,000 years old wrt human activity:

* https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-25/new-dating-technique-...

* https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-01-14/indonesia-sul...

* https://therangeskarratha.com.au/explore/rock-art

It's a philosophical argument of the truthiness of texts recording goat herders begetting goat herders Vs rates of change in observable physical features of the earth.

Re: Editing a young-earth creationist book with ChatGPT-5

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Post by Egret »

defrost wrote: post #7
Egret wrote: post #3

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> The Christian creationist movement has plenty of people from the hard sciences with PhD's precisely because it is defensible, logical and evidence based. Is flawed logic in itself. I had a wonderful teacher in Civil Engineering with a PhD in Engineering and immense skill in the computation of harmonic wind induced vibrations in truss frames and other such things. They also had a strong personal belief in young eart…

That is true, going outside of areas of expertise is fraught with risk. The best creationist material on radioactive dating was published by the RATE group. We include a summary of this material in an appendix of the book.

Re: Editing a young-earth creationist book with ChatGPT-5

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Post by andsoitis »

Egret wrote: post #12
andsoitis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How old is the earth?

I regard the Masoretic text as generally more authoritative, so I would give an age of the earth/cosmos in calendar years of approximately 6000 years.

The Catholic Church follows the scientific consensus that the Earth is billions of years old.

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Post by bediger4000 »

Egret wrote: post #5
andsoitis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How old is the earth?

If you use a philosophical uniformitarian interpretation of the amount of process that has occurred on earth or in the cosmos, you will get a figure of hundreds of millions of years or even billions of years. We do not dispute the amount of process. We deny philosophical uniformitarianism, which is an atheistic presupposition. The age of the earth, according to a reasonable interpretation of the Old Testament, is lik…

We deny philosophical uniformitarianism

Then you're just making it up as you go along.

Re: Editing a young-earth creationist book with ChatGPT-5

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Post by dragonwriter »

Egret wrote: post #5
andsoitis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How old is the earth?

If you use a philosophical uniformitarian interpretation of the amount of process that has occurred on earth or in the cosmos, you will get a figure of hundreds of millions of years or even billions of years. We do not dispute the amount of process. We deny philosophical uniformitarianism, which is an atheistic presupposition. The age of the earth, according to a reasonable interpretation of the Old Testament, is lik…

> The age of the earth, according to a reasonable interpretation of the Old Testament, is likely to be 6000 (Masoretic text) to 8500 years (if you rely on the Septuagint versions).

So, when you say Christian creationism is “evidence based”, you mean a “reasonable interpretation” of a text with a whole litany of direct internal inconsistencies, and which itself has no evidence (leaving aside personal faith) of being anything other than a collection of mythology, supports it and not, you know, actual material evidence?

Re: Editing a young-earth creationist book with ChatGPT-5

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Post by bediger4000 »

Egret wrote: post #10
dClauzel wrote: post #9

Dafuq ?

Be curious, and read the book.

Look, YEC are notorious for lying and cherry picking, almost as bad as flat earthers. The "Gish Gallop" technique is named after a creationist. ChatGPT is not know for giving the same answer twice. These aren't perfect heuristics, but it would seem rational to view the combination of both as logical poison.

Re: Editing a young-earth creationist book with ChatGPT-5

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Post by Egret »

bediger4000 wrote: post #18
Egret wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be curious, and read the book.

Look, YEC are notorious for lying and cherry picking, almost as bad as flat earthers. The "Gish Gallop" technique is named after a creationist. ChatGPT is not know for giving the same answer twice. These aren't perfect heuristics, but it would seem rational to view the combination of both as logical poison.

I am not going to defend every YEC. But you are using too broad a brush. Read the book and decide for yourself. We did not use chatgpt to write the book; it was part of the editing process and we checked everything from chatgpt, because, as you said, it is not known for watertight reliability.

Re: Editing a young-earth creationist book with ChatGPT-5

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Post by Egret »

andsoitis wrote: post #15
Egret wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I regard the Masoretic text as generally more authoritative, so I would give an age of the earth/cosmos in calendar years of approximately 6000 years.

The Catholic Church follows the scientific consensus that the Earth is billions of years old.

That is broadly true, although there are creationist organisations within the Roman Catholic world. The major creationist organisations are evangelical (Protestant).
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