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Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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post #8

Seems reasonable. I have a Duemilanove and an Uno R2 that I haven't used in ages but Arduino stuff has always been open as far as I remember. I really can't bring myself to pull out the pitchforks here. They've earned the trust from me. It's been over a decade now.

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Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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post #9

They say "privacy" a lot on that blog page, but that very page runs surveillance capitalism trackers from Facebook, Twitter, Google, and others.

They mean privacy for the author of that blog post - he is anonymous after all.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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post #7

If the only restriction on reverse engineering is their cloud SaaS, why was everyone up in arms? Or is this Arduino trying to save face?

Their definition of "the platform" in the TOS is verbose and has weird grammar. I can see how people came away with a different understanding.

> User shall not translate, decompile or reverse-engineer the Platform, or engage in any other activity designed to identify the algorithms and logic of the Platform’s operation, unless expressly allowed by Arduino or by applicable license agreements;

> The Site is part of the platform developed and managed by Arduino, which allows users to take part in the discussions on the Arduino forum, the Arduino blog, the Arduino User Group, the Arduino Discord channel, and the Arduino Project Hub, and to access the Arduino main website, subsites, Arduino Cloud, Arduino Courses, Arduino Certifications, Arduino Docs, the Arduino EDU kit sites to release works within the Contributor License Agreement program, and to further develop the Arduino open source ecosystem (collectively, the “Platform”).

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Adafruit acted a bit shady here. Their original post includes:

"Military weird things"

Reading the ToS, the two mentions of military are "don't use our AI product for military use" and in the export and trade controls section.

How are either of those weird?

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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post #7

If the only restriction on reverse engineering is their cloud SaaS, why was everyone up in arms? Or is this Arduino trying to save face?

Their definition of "the platform" in the TOS is verbose and has weird grammar. I can see how people came away with a different understanding. > User shall not translate, decompile or reverse-engineer the Platform, or engage in any other activity designed to identify the algorithms and logic of the Platform’s operation, unless expressly allowed by Arduino or by applicable license agreements; > The Site is part of the…

I can only read this as the entirety of "Arduino open source ecosystem" being part of "the Platform".

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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post #9

They say "privacy" a lot on that blog page, but that very page runs surveillance capitalism trackers from Facebook, Twitter, Google, and others.

Whoa there, you're in reverse-engineering territory of their website already!

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Adafruit acted a bit shady here. Their original post includes: "Military weird things" Reading the ToS, the two mentions of military are "don't use our AI product for military use" and in the export and trade controls section. How are either of those weird?

Given the ambiguity of the phrase "military use" when the military does, in-fact, use it for things the military does - I am not confident in the slightest with Arduino's use of language here.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

#20

Adafruit acted a bit shady here. Their original post includes: "Military weird things" Reading the ToS, the two mentions of military are "don't use our AI product for military use" and in the export and trade controls section. How are either of those weird?

Given the ambiguity of the phrase "military use" when the military does, in-fact, use it for things the military does - I am not confident in the slightest with Arduino's use of language here.

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