Qwen3-30B-VL is going to be fucking hard to beat as a daily driver, it's so good for the base 80% of tasks I want an AI for, and holy fuck is it fast. 90tok/s on my machine, I pretty much keep it in vram permanently. I think this sort of work is important and I'm really glad it's being done, but in terms of something I want to use every day there's no way a dense model can compete unless it's smart as fuck. Even dumb models like Qwen3-30B get a lot of stuff right and not having to wait is amazing.
Olmo 3: Charting a path through the model flow to lead open-source AI
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Re: Olmo 3: Charting a path through the model flow to lead open-source AI
#12To see OlmoTrace go to https://playground.allenai.org/ and after you get the responce to your prompt, click the secod icon from the right on the top (at least on mobile). It took me a while to find it because there is another icon under the responce that looks the same but does something else.
In the 35 minute since you've posted, maybe the interface has changed. Upon scrolling to the bottom of the answer I got a popup asking "Curious about how this response matches the model's training data? Click this to dig deeper."
Clicking it did nothing. When I check the top of the answer I see a speech bubble icon and a downarrow icon. Clicking either opens the thought process.
This is on Firefox running on Android.
Re: Olmo 3: Charting a path through the model flow to lead open-source AI
#13These small models are very cheap for "good enough" translations. I just translated 6M comments on my platform with Gemma 32B and this model seems to be on par. It's cheap enough that I'm currently doing a second pass where another model critiques and if needed, rewrites the original translation.
To English, I assume, for casual perusal? Before people unfamiliar with this topic start thinking small models are decent at translating between random language pairs. They're poor for translating "to" the overwhelming majority of languages and I wouldn't recommend using them for this purpose for anything user-facing.
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#14> the best fully open 32B-scale thinking model It's absolutely fantastic that they're releasing an actually OSS model, but isn't "the best fully open" a bit of a low bar? I'm not aware of any other fully open models.
You need to learn to walk before you can run.
Re: Olmo 3: Charting a path through the model flow to lead open-source AI
#15The trace is interesting. The training cut-off according to the model is nearly a year old though.
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#16Qwen3-30B-VL is going to be fucking hard to beat as a daily driver, it's so good for the base 80% of tasks I want an AI for, and holy fuck is it fast. 90tok/s on my machine, I pretty much keep it in vram permanently. I think this sort of work is important and I'm really glad it's being done, but in terms of something I want to use every day there's no way a dense model can compete unless it's smart as fuck. Even dumb…
Thanks for the hint. I just tried it on a bright new Mac laptop, and it’s very slow here. But it led me to test qwen2.5:14b and it looks like it can create instant feedback loop.
It can even interact through fluent Esperanto, very nice.
Re: Olmo 3: Charting a path through the model flow to lead open-source AI
#17I think they should start aiming for 20B models along with 32B and 7B. Usually 7B is enough for a 8GB GPU, 32B requires a 24GB GPU for decent quants (I can fit a 32B with IQ3_XXS but is not ideal) while 20-ish B models (such as magistral or gpt-oss) are a perfect fit for 16GB GPUs
Re: Olmo 3: Charting a path through the model flow to lead open-source AI
#18Qwen3-30B-VL is going to be fucking hard to beat as a daily driver, it's so good for the base 80% of tasks I want an AI for, and holy fuck is it fast. 90tok/s on my machine, I pretty much keep it in vram permanently. I think this sort of work is important and I'm really glad it's being done, but in terms of something I want to use every day there's no way a dense model can compete unless it's smart as fuck. Even dumb…
Thanks for the hint. I just tried it on a bright new Mac laptop, and it’s very slow here. But it led me to test qwen2.5:14b and it looks like it can create instant feedback loop. It can even interact through fluent Esperanto, very nice.
I'm specifically talking about qwen3-30b-a3b, the MoE model (this also applies to the big one). It's very very fast and pretty good, and speed matters when you're replacing basic google searches and text manipulation.
Re: Olmo 3: Charting a path through the model flow to lead open-source AI
#19> the best fully open 32B-scale thinking model It's absolutely fantastic that they're releasing an actually OSS model, but isn't "the best fully open" a bit of a low bar? I'm not aware of any other fully open models.
Switzerland, through EPFL, ETH Zurich, and the Swiss National Supercomputing Centre, has released a complete pipeline with all training data - that is "fully open", to my understanding.
See https://www.swiss-ai.org/apertus for details.
https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2025/07/a-l... was the press release.
Re: Olmo 3: Charting a path through the model flow to lead open-source AI
#20Also: I simply asked to the 7B model "hi, who are u":
Thought for 1 seconds Okay, the user is asking "Who are u?" with a casual tone ("u" instead of "you", exclamation mark). Let me break this down.
First, I need to address the question itself. They want to know who I am as an AI assistant. My standard response is that I'm DeepSeek R1, designed to be helpful and handle reasoning step by step. But maybe they're not familiar with AI terms in general. The "u" part might just be their way of speaking, so I should reply politely using "you" form.
Next, considering the context. They started with an HTML tag " "
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And it hung there without a reply. It might be an OpenWebUI bug but not so promising