So with support for OCI container images, does this mean I can run docker images as LXCs natively in proxmox? I guess it's an entirely manual process, no mature orchestration like portainer or even docker-compose, no easy upgrades, manually setting up bind mounts, etc. It would be a nice first step.
Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available
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Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available
#12Proxmox (and XCP-ng?) seems to be "the" (?) popular alternative to VMware after Broadcom's private equity-fuel cash grab. (Perhaps if you're a Microsoft shop you're looking at Hyper-V?)
Talking to midmarket and enterprise customers and nobody is taking Proxmox seriously quite yet, I think due to concerns around support availability and long term viability. Hyper-V and Azure Local come up a lot in these conversations if you run a lot of Windows (Healthcare in the US is nearly entirely Windows based). Have some folks kicking tires on OpenShift, which is a HEAVY lift and not much less expensive than modern Broadcom licenses.
My personal dark horse favorite right now is HPE VM Essentials. HPE has a terrible track record of being awesome at enterprise software, but their support org is solid and the solution checks a heck of a lot of boxes, including broad support for non-HPE servers, storage, and networking. Solution is priced to move and I expect HPE smells blood in these waters, they're clearly dumping a lot of development resources into the product in this past year.
Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available
#13Nah. Incus. Sorry, but I bought Proxmox 7, but it is not comparable. Incus does everything (and more) with better interface, WAY better reliability, and also not like a hundred EUR or whatever. (100 EUR is fine with me if better, but not if not better...)
Proxmox is free, too. Incus looks nice, though it looks to be more API driven , at least from the landing page. I can't attest to Proxmox in a production/cluster environment but (barring GPU passthrough) it's very accessible for homelab and small network.
GPU passthrough works fine? I use that for transcoding in Jellyfin.
Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available
#14Been waiting to update from v8. Time might be right now
Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available
#15Watching hypervisors slowly improve over the last few years has been amazing. They aren't quite to the point that I will install them under any new hardware I buy and then put my daily driver OS on top, but they are very close. I think a strong focus on creating 'the OS under your OS' experience seamless could open up a lot more here.
VMware has been so good and reasonably priced for so long that there hasn't been a competitive market in the enterprise virtualization space for the past two decades. In a way, I think Broadcom's moves here might be healthy for the enterprise datacenter longer term, it has created the opportunity for others to step in and broadened the ecosystem significantly.
Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available
#16Nah. Incus. Sorry, but I bought Proxmox 7, but it is not comparable. Incus does everything (and more) with better interface, WAY better reliability, and also not like a hundred EUR or whatever. (100 EUR is fine with me if better, but not if not better...)
I was looking to setup Proxmox for my homelab soon but this comment got me interested in Incus. Mostly because I've never heard of any Proxmox alternatives before this. You can try out Incus in your browser here: https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/try-it/
The demo does take ~10m to get into a working instance.
Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available
#17Nah. Incus. Sorry, but I bought Proxmox 7, but it is not comparable. Incus does everything (and more) with better interface, WAY better reliability, and also not like a hundred EUR or whatever. (100 EUR is fine with me if better, but not if not better...)
Proxmox is entirely free and very, very reliable. Personal preference is fine, but I really don't think any of your claims are true.
I thought you had to pay a fee to access their updates repository? It's been a while though so I may be mistaken.
Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available
#18Nah. Incus. Sorry, but I bought Proxmox 7, but it is not comparable. Incus does everything (and more) with better interface, WAY better reliability, and also not like a hundred EUR or whatever. (100 EUR is fine with me if better, but not if not better...)
I was looking to setup Proxmox for my homelab soon but this comment got me interested in Incus. Mostly because I've never heard of any Proxmox alternatives before this. You can try out Incus in your browser here: https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/try-it/ The demo does take ~10m to get into a working instance.
Their site might be getting hugged, even the non-demo page is taking ages to load.
Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Proxmox is entirely free and very, very reliable. Personal preference is fine, but I really don't think any of your claims are true.
I thought you had to pay a fee to access their updates repository? It's been a while though so I may be mistaken.
There's community update repositories you can swap out.
I'm not really sure what the difference is.
Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available
#2015-20 years ago this wouldn't have been a company. It would have been a strong but informal open collaboration where
smart and just people funded by various entities around the world kept it running.
Then the opportunity to get rich by offering an open source product combined with closed source extras+support was invented. I don't like this new world.
Edit: Somewhere along the line, we also lost the concept of having a sysadmin/developer person working at like a municipality contributring like 20% of their time towards maintenance of such projects. Invaluable when keeping things running.