The Connectivity Standards Alliance Announces Zigbee 4.0 and Suzi
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Re: The Connectivity Standards Alliance Announces Zigbee 4.0 and Suzi
#12I thought Threads was already the next generation of zigbee.
> Threads
You mean "Thread"? Or "Matter over Thread", which some vendors also just call "Matter" (which technically can also stand on it's own, but in many cases implies a Thread requirement). I'm wondering if that muddiness in bad communication will be a significant factor in hindering consumer adoption.
Re: The Connectivity Standards Alliance Announces Zigbee 4.0 and Suzi
#13I hope Matter becomes the "the facto" standard... now we have several more "standars"
What I really don't like about thread/matter is that it is becoming the de-facto standard that thread border routers are connected to the internet.
This will in time result in IoT devices that actually mandate this connection (it was already stipulated in a recent version of the protocol). The end result will be that a new protocol was created, but rather than devices being able to run on their own, we end up with beds in heating mode, ie. the garbage we were trying to avoid in the first place.
So for me, zigbee it is!
Re: The Connectivity Standards Alliance Announces Zigbee 4.0 and Suzi
#14I thought Threads was already the next generation of zigbee.
The good thing is that at least for a somewhat technical crowd, there is absolutely no need to buy into any of this, as there have been proper solutions available since at least 2018. Just buy Hue, maybe Aqara sensors, use zigbee2mqtt with Home Assistant and be happy while observing the shitshow that is this market from a safe distance.
Oh cool it's not just me doing exactly this.
Sticking to pure zigbee devices with zigbee2mqtt and slae.sh's excellent USB coordinator. A couple weeks ago I bought a bunch of spare IKEA zigbee devices before they go out of stock. Around 2030 I'll take a look if thread/matter is anywhere near mature and has settled.
Re: The Connectivity Standards Alliance Announces Zigbee 4.0 and Suzi
#15No thanks. Quite happy with my ConBee II and small collection of open hackable ZigBee devices thanks.
Why would I want yet-another-standard with self-updating devices, using more power (strong cryptography), and closed to certified devices only.
And Suzi sounds like it is going to stomp all over Lora? Hard to tell from that marketing fluff.
Re: The Connectivity Standards Alliance Announces Zigbee 4.0 and Suzi
#16I thought Threads was already the next generation of zigbee.
> Threads You mean "Thread"? Or "Matter over Thread", which some vendors also just call "Matter" (which technically can also stand on it's own, but in many cases implies a Thread requirement). I'm wondering if that muddiness in bad communication will be a significant factor in hindering consumer adoption.
"Matter" can in practice also mean "Matter over Wi-Fi", and lots of vendors use it that way.
Re: The Connectivity Standards Alliance Announces Zigbee 4.0 and Suzi
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
The good thing is that at least for a somewhat technical crowd, there is absolutely no need to buy into any of this, as there have been proper solutions available since at least 2018. Just buy Hue, maybe Aqara sensors, use zigbee2mqtt with Home Assistant and be happy while observing the shitshow that is this market from a safe distance.
Oh cool it's not just me doing exactly this. Sticking to pure zigbee devices with zigbee2mqtt and slae.sh's excellent USB coordinator. A couple weeks ago I bought a bunch of spare IKEA zigbee devices before they go out of stock. Around 2030 I'll take a look if thread/matter is anywhere near mature and has settled.
Are the ikea zigbee devices going to stop being sold? Massive shame if so, they are extremely reliable and easy to use.
Re: The Connectivity Standards Alliance Announces Zigbee 4.0 and Suzi
#18I hope Matter becomes the "the facto" standard... now we have several more "standars"
What I really don't like about thread/matter is that it is becoming the de-facto standard that thread border routers are connected to the internet. This will in time result in IoT devices that actually mandate this connection (it was already stipulated in a recent version of the protocol). The end result will be that a new protocol was created, but rather than devices being able to run on their own, we end up with be…
A lot of zigbee infrastructure also expect an internet connection.
These border routers also double as admins, and people want their smart home stuff to be available while they are outside their home network.
Thread devices can mandate internet connectivity the same way Wifi devices can.
Matter defines profiles and does certification that says your light bulbs cannot require an internet connection. The admin your water leak detector connects into can (and arguably should) alert you even when you are away from home, but the leak detector _itself_ cannot do that and be certified.
Re: The Connectivity Standards Alliance Announces Zigbee 4.0 and Suzi
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh cool it's not just me doing exactly this. Sticking to pure zigbee devices with zigbee2mqtt and slae.sh's excellent USB coordinator. A couple weeks ago I bought a bunch of spare IKEA zigbee devices before they go out of stock. Around 2030 I'll take a look if thread/matter is anywhere near mature and has settled.
Are the ikea zigbee devices going to stop being sold? Massive shame if so, they are extremely reliable and easy to use.
IKEA's whole smart home ecosystem is presently being overhauled from Zigbee to Thread/Matter, with a product availability gap in the meantime.
https://www.ikea.com/global/en/newsroom/retail/the-new-smart...
Re: The Connectivity Standards Alliance Announces Zigbee 4.0 and Suzi
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
The good thing is that at least for a somewhat technical crowd, there is absolutely no need to buy into any of this, as there have been proper solutions available since at least 2018. Just buy Hue, maybe Aqara sensors, use zigbee2mqtt with Home Assistant and be happy while observing the shitshow that is this market from a safe distance.
Oh cool it's not just me doing exactly this. Sticking to pure zigbee devices with zigbee2mqtt and slae.sh's excellent USB coordinator. A couple weeks ago I bought a bunch of spare IKEA zigbee devices before they go out of stock. Around 2030 I'll take a look if thread/matter is anywhere near mature and has settled.
Side question but where would one learn how to do this that way? Any guides, reddit? The home automation market seems such a mess every time I check it out.