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PayPal bans Linux users with a GPU name containing the string "Apple M1"

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Re: PayPal bans Linux users with a GPU name containing the string "Apple M1"

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Why?

My guess would be they're using some 3rd party library of "fake user agent detection", and this library just has a whitelist of what's "acceptable".

Given that the "fix" involves making the string reported "Possibly Apple, Possibly M1", I am going to say it's a blacklist.

Re: PayPal bans Linux users with a GPU name containing the string "Apple M1"

#12

Why would anyone use PayPal at the first place? I have only negative experiences with them. Constant blocking, freezing account and then unfreezing it with no explanation why it was frozen in the first place just panacea "fraud detection", chargebacks months after the purchase.

If you need to split a bill across people from many different countries, there aren’t other options.

Revolut! There are also pretty high referral bonus (around 80 dollars per referral where I come from). You can ”charge” it using Apple Pay or Google Pay, and it’s very convenient.

Re: PayPal bans Linux users with a GPU name containing the string "Apple M1"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you need to split a bill across people from many different countries, there aren’t other options.

Revolut! There are also pretty high referral bonus (around 80 dollars per referral where I come from). You can ”charge” it using Apple Pay or Google Pay, and it’s very convenient.

Doesn’t work in South Africa, India or Singapore.

When you meet up with from people from enough places, there really aren’t many options.

Re: PayPal bans Linux users with a GPU name containing the string "Apple M1"

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Why would anyone use PayPal at the first place? I have only negative experiences with them. Constant blocking, freezing account and then unfreezing it with no explanation why it was frozen in the first place just panacea "fraud detection", chargebacks months after the purchase.

One click checkout vs filling in credit card info on yet another website. None of your issues apply to using PayPal as a form of payment; you don’t need to keep a balance at all.

Re: PayPal bans Linux users with a GPU name containing the string "Apple M1"

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess would be they're using some 3rd party library of "fake user agent detection", and this library just has a whitelist of what's "acceptable".

Given that the "fix" involves making the string reported "Possibly Apple, Possibly M1", I am going to say it's a blacklist.

There are two ways in which that could happen. Someone entered that combination into the list without thinking it though. Or more likely, they use a self-learning or heuristic filter that finds the combination 'Linux' and 'Apple M1' unusual because of how rare it is. Either way, it's easier to assume a mistake here because such a dark pattern doesn't make any business sense - notwithstanding their ethical reputation.

Re: PayPal bans Linux users with a GPU name containing the string "Apple M1"

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Why would anyone use PayPal at the first place? I have only negative experiences with them. Constant blocking, freezing account and then unfreezing it with no explanation why it was frozen in the first place just panacea "fraud detection", chargebacks months after the purchase.

One click checkout vs filling in credit card info on yet another website. None of your issues apply to using PayPal as a form of payment; you don’t need to keep a balance at all.

Apple Pay, Google Pay, Amazon Pay, and various options across the world such as 'Link', iDEAL, Swish, etc. Paypal only still seems to be a major thing in the US where modern payment methods are still very much behind the rest of the world.

Re: PayPal bans Linux users with a GPU name containing the string "Apple M1"

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post #8

I think the real problem is that any website can get a ton of information on your GPU, including vendor, model, supported extensions etc. via WebGL/WebGPU.

Yeah, I understand it's probably part of their fraud protection, but feels weird that they get my GPU info when doing a payment.

Seems very unrelated.

Anyone who works on fraud protection who can explain how this info is used?

Re: PayPal bans Linux users with a GPU name containing the string "Apple M1"

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Why would anyone use PayPal at the first place? I have only negative experiences with them. Constant blocking, freezing account and then unfreezing it with no explanation why it was frozen in the first place just panacea "fraud detection", chargebacks months after the purchase.

If you need to split a bill across people from many different countries, there aren’t other options.

Cash. Monero.

Re: PayPal bans Linux users with a GPU name containing the string "Apple M1"

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post #18
post #8

I think the real problem is that any website can get a ton of information on your GPU, including vendor, model, supported extensions etc. via WebGL/WebGPU.

Yeah, I understand it's probably part of their fraud protection, but feels weird that they get my GPU info when doing a payment. Seems very unrelated. Anyone who works on fraud protection who can explain how this info is used?

Very likely looking for VMs or other weird signals. Doesn't make it right for a regular user doing nothing wrong.
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