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Keeping out communists from a state broadcaster at the height of the Cold War sounds sensible.

Being a communist doesn’t mean being a foreign agent

But being a communist does mean you are more likely to be recruited if you are in a position of power and at a time of 'war'.

Re: What influence has the BBC had on history?

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When the Soviet Union fell apart BBC opened a number of journalism schools in Russia. The schools were sponsored by George Soros. My dad attended one of those and then was called into FSB office (former KGB) to be questioned.

My suspicion to this day is that these schools were both a spy front and long-game propaganda, where they were teaching how to make news more western-aligned.

Why would BBC want to teach their methods in Russia? How do they benefit from that? How does Soros benefit from that?

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When the Soviet Union fell apart BBC opened a number of journalism schools in Russia. The schools were sponsored by George Soros. My dad attended one of those and then was called into FSB office (former KGB) to be questioned. My suspicion to this day is that these schools were both a spy front and long-game propaganda, where they were teaching how to make news more western-aligned. Why would BBC want to teach their m…

> Why would BBC want to teach their methods in Russia? How do they benefit from that?

The BBC's mission is to inform, educate, and entertain, not to benefit themselves.

> How does Soros benefit from that?

I'm more anti-Soros than most, but he is fairly open that he wants to prevent a recurrence of the Holocaust and a free press and western-style civil liberties are things he sees as supporting that. Even if you want to see it in selfish terms, the guy is rich and Jewish and wants the kind of society that doesn't victimise people like him; that doesn't mean he's part of some kind of cloak-and-dagger conspiracy.

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https://www.cambridgeclarion.org/press_cuttings/mi5.bbc.staf... > At the last count, in 1984, the BBC had a staff of almost 30,000. We have discovered that all current affairs appointees, together with many of those involved in the actual making of programmes - including directors and film editors - are vetted. > We have also established who runs the system. It operates, unknown to almost all BBC staff, from Room 105…

Keeping out communists from a state broadcaster at the height of the Cold War sounds sensible.

If you're supposed to be defending democracy in the cold war, excluding people based on their political views amounts to surrendering.

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When the Soviet Union fell apart BBC opened a number of journalism schools in Russia. The schools were sponsored by George Soros. My dad attended one of those and then was called into FSB office (former KGB) to be questioned. My suspicion to this day is that these schools were both a spy front and long-game propaganda, where they were teaching how to make news more western-aligned. Why would BBC want to teach their m…

The goal there is similar to why the US state department sponsored the Tor project. They want a democratic society in Russia, and they want the Russian people to have friendly views of the west. The objective wasn't so much to teach them their ways, but to establish rapport with the journalism community in Russia. Journalists decide if for example Putin's power grabbing and dictatorship is covered as a negative or a positive thing. That rapport goes a long way with influencing their unavoidable bias. I think "influence" is correct, not "propaganda" unless there was specific messaging being disseminated.

Also, look up "confucius institutes" all over the US and the world setup the Chinese government to do something similar.

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https://www.cambridgeclarion.org/press_cuttings/mi5.bbc.staf... > At the last count, in 1984, the BBC had a staff of almost 30,000. We have discovered that all current affairs appointees, together with many of those involved in the actual making of programmes - including directors and film editors - are vetted. > We have also established who runs the system. It operates, unknown to almost all BBC staff, from Room 105…

> propagate elite opinion I can't speak of the MI5 accusation but the elite opinion one is comically of the mark. The (economic/political) elite famously hate the Beeb for its "leftie" views (really, it's just being balanced and telling the facts that they object to). The Tories would love an excuse to tear it apart but historically it's been too popular for them to get away with that. If you had meant intellectual e…

I think that everybody looks back with rose tinted specs. Off the cuff, I'd say that the BBC isn't as honest and transparent as I thought it was back in the 80s, 90s.

Then I remember the Jimmy Saville cover-up. Britain's pound shop/ dollar store Epstein.

> senior managers were not told of complaints about Savile because of an "atmosphere of fear" which still exists in the BBC

Written 10 years ago and still true today. It's just that the lies de jour depend on who currently holds political and (to a far grater extent today) cultural power. The elites, in a modern cultural sense, are not necessarily people with traditional money and power (royalty, politicians, famous stars and billionaires). Undoubtedly they have power, but these days that type of power doesn't protect you from the mob. Today, power is wielded by people who claim to have none, yet somehow set the tone on social media (moderation rules), influence rules within universities, influence charities and NGOs, and from there, media outlets. Politicians today are just landing to all. The BBC has is right up there with all the other liars.

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The BBC gets to say what history is because it documents the now. Farage does not have the popular support tha Corbyn had (has?) but you'd never believe it counting the number of interviews Farage gets with the BeeB. The game, as with Wikipedia, is to convince everyone you're unbiased and truthful and then sell us something. The question really is the relationship between the people's will (assuming you think democracy is a good idea) and the BBC's agenda setting.

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When the Soviet Union fell apart BBC opened a number of journalism schools in Russia. The schools were sponsored by George Soros. My dad attended one of those and then was called into FSB office (former KGB) to be questioned. My suspicion to this day is that these schools were both a spy front and long-game propaganda, where they were teaching how to make news more western-aligned. Why would BBC want to teach their m…

It seems somewhat obvious that more democratic Russia would be in the interests of the rest of the Europe. Similarly self evidently, the former KGB is against it. Freedom of press is rather important part of democracy, and the state controlled media is an important part of an authoritarian play book.

The lack of democracy in Russia has now ended up costing millions of lives and trillions in damages, so maybe we should have actually invested more?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keeping out communists from a state broadcaster at the height of the Cold War sounds sensible.

If you're supposed to be defending democracy in the cold war, excluding people based on their political views amounts to surrendering.

That's a very purist viewpoint. The other side hired people to work against Britain and managed to get them into sensitive organisations, particularly the security services of course. Should Britain have surrendered to that in the name of purity?

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When the Soviet Union fell apart BBC opened a number of journalism schools in Russia. The schools were sponsored by George Soros. My dad attended one of those and then was called into FSB office (former KGB) to be questioned. My suspicion to this day is that these schools were both a spy front and long-game propaganda, where they were teaching how to make news more western-aligned. Why would BBC want to teach their m…

The BBC has a wide commitment to help run training courses in many developing countries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/historyofthebbc/media-action/

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