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Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by ZoFreX »

kleiba wrote: post #3

From the article: Mr Persson revealed his views in two tweets. From twitter: Got an email from microsoft, wanting to help "certify" minecraft for win 8. I told them to stop trying to ruin the pc as an open platform. I'd rather have minecraft not run on win 8 at all than to play along. Maybe we can convince a few people not to switch to win 8 that way..

But certification isn't new, and is still optional... I don't understand why developers are up in arms over it?

Also, is it intrinsically bad? It's proving that the software you installed is from a particular publisher and hasn't been tampered with, isn't that a good thing?

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by carlisle_ »

ido wrote: post #9
citricsquid wrote: post #8

Not related to the point at hand, but why don't people mention the millions of copies sold on other platforms? More than 7.5 million copies of the title have been sold Minecraft has sold 7.5 Million (+) of the PC version, it has also sold millions of copies of the iOS version, the Android version and the Xbox version which just recently broke 5 (edit: sorry, 4) million sales. Seems strange not to say something like:…

It's really surprising (to me) that 10k people per day are still buying pc minecraft. I'd think pretty much everyone that was interested in a game like that would have gotten it by now? How can there still be 10k new people per day (over what, 3 years now?) that have just found out about minecraft?

The game format is pretty conducive to "casual" gaming. I'm sure with all the new features getting added it's more and more attractive to these gamers.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by k-mcgrady »

>> ""Microsoft owns the Xbox. Apple owns the iOS. The charm of the PC is that nobody owns it... "

Yes, but Microsoft owns Windows. The certification change doesn't affect the PC it affects Windows users. His final comment is a lot more balanced:

>> "Microsoft is free to do whatever they want with their OS. I won't support all of what they do, however"

His comment about Microsoft trying to ruin the PC as an open platform is nonsense. Obviously Windows runs on the majority of PC's but no matter what Microsoft does they can't ruin the PC as an open platform. Linux is available. Build Minecraft for Linux and actively promote Linux. Refuse to build the game for any closed platform and make it clear people can only use your game on open platforms.

The whole thing seems to be misuse of 'PC' and 'Windows'.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by k-mcgrady »

ZoFreX wrote: post #11
kleiba wrote: post #3

From the article: Mr Persson revealed his views in two tweets. From twitter: Got an email from microsoft, wanting to help "certify" minecraft for win 8. I told them to stop trying to ruin the pc as an open platform. I'd rather have minecraft not run on win 8 at all than to play along. Maybe we can convince a few people not to switch to win 8 that way..

But certification isn't new, and is still optional... I don't understand why developers are up in arms over it? Also, is it intrinsically bad? It's proving that the software you installed is from a particular publisher and hasn't been tampered with, isn't that a good thing?

I think it's a minority of developers that are up in arms against in. As a user and developer I've welcomed it on the Mac. Developers can easily certify their apps and it gives customers confidence. If you choose not to certify your app you don't lose out, your software will still run. It will be pretty much the same on Windows (although I find their policies a bit more restrictive). If you don't want to certify, it doesn't prevent your software from working.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by hhudolet »

pestaa wrote: post #7
mariusmg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they don't want "Metro-only" . This is bullshit. Stop spreading it.

That's a very weak counterargument. Why would Microsoft prefer to carry on developing both interfaces when the majority of users will clearly prefer Metro?

Its how MS marketing works: Metro is new thing they must sell and they are promoting it best they can (and that's not always the best way it could be done). Classic mode will remain on desktop in the future, and Metro is for tablets and desktops. New versions of Photoshop, Premiere, Audocad, Maya, 3d Studio, SAP, VisualStudio, SQLMS,... will be desktop versions, installed directly, not from MS Store. So really dont know why Minecraft can't be sold on Minecraft web, files downloaded and installed manually, like its done last 20 years, and it will be done probably in next 10 years?

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by Toshio »

eckyptang wrote: post #4

I still think he's being a sensationalist. Even the BBC are less biased here. There is no requirement to get it certified and you can just use minecraft how it is now without having to go near an app store. This is all hot air.

The BBC has always been biased toward microsoft.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by eckyptang »

Toshio wrote: post #16
eckyptang wrote: post #4

I still think he's being a sensationalist. Even the BBC are less biased here. There is no requirement to get it certified and you can just use minecraft how it is now without having to go near an app store. This is all hot air.

The BBC has always been biased toward microsoft.

It definitely hasn't. They've been terribly critical over the years.

I think the issue is that they are not as biased against them as the rest of the industry who know how to get clicks for Microsoft bashing.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by bayes »

ido wrote: post #9
citricsquid wrote: post #8

Not related to the point at hand, but why don't people mention the millions of copies sold on other platforms? More than 7.5 million copies of the title have been sold Minecraft has sold 7.5 Million (+) of the PC version, it has also sold millions of copies of the iOS version, the Android version and the Xbox version which just recently broke 5 (edit: sorry, 4) million sales. Seems strange not to say something like:…

It's really surprising (to me) that 10k people per day are still buying pc minecraft. I'd think pretty much everyone that was interested in a game like that would have gotten it by now? How can there still be 10k new people per day (over what, 3 years now?) that have just found out about minecraft?

Currently (I'm in London UK) Minecraft has a huge folllowing among boys aged (roughly) 8-14. As long as that demographic remains obsessed there'll be a constant new market.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by Toshio »

eckyptang wrote: post #17
Toshio wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BBC has always been biased toward microsoft.

It definitely hasn't. They've been terribly critical over the years. I think the issue is that they are not as biased against them as the rest of the industry who know how to get clicks for Microsoft bashing.

Have you noticed a pattern in BBC's malware reporting? When it's about windows malware, they deliberately avoid mentioning the name windows, instead calling it "PC malware" or "computer virus". But when it's about Android malware, they make darn sure to call it what it is, Android malware. In that case they don't do the dance of calling it, say, "mobile malware". I don't know about you, but to me this is a blatant form of bias.

Re: Minecraft creator attacks Microsoft's Windows 8 plan

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Post by morsch »

ido wrote: post #9
citricsquid wrote: post #8

Not related to the point at hand, but why don't people mention the millions of copies sold on other platforms? More than 7.5 million copies of the title have been sold Minecraft has sold 7.5 Million (+) of the PC version, it has also sold millions of copies of the iOS version, the Android version and the Xbox version which just recently broke 5 (edit: sorry, 4) million sales. Seems strange not to say something like:…

It's really surprising (to me) that 10k people per day are still buying pc minecraft. I'd think pretty much everyone that was interested in a game like that would have gotten it by now? How can there still be 10k new people per day (over what, 3 years now?) that have just found out about minecraft?

The game is still getting new features through official development and through addons. People who weren't interested in the pure survival or "3d drawing" modes might be more interested in the improvements in interactive storytelling, both creating them and running through maps by others.

The game has also gained a significant community on YouTube (and probably elsewhere), which ends up promoting the game. I watch Minecraft videos occasionally -- some of the interactive storytelling is quite good --, despite the fact that I've never actually played the game. And it's just an impulse buy away if I ever see a video which makes me thing I need to play this myself.

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