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Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Posting a quick TL;DW. A minute into the video Chuck Moore says that Windows updates (on 11 and 10) have caused colorForth to crash, with Chuck thinking it's a graphical problem. I may comment more, but I wanted to post this because I don't see it mentioned as a youtube comment.

I wonder how well Proton would work for it...

It looks like colorForth runs in qemu or bochs according to documentation, so Proton/wine wouldn't be required.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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I wonder sometimes if there's an earlier level of technology that society could basically "checkpoint" at and freeze, and then build off of. Capitalism today feels like it's hit the Red Queen Paradox - it goes around and around to keep the money flowing, but with very little actual progress. Indeed, most people seem to feel like the world is getting worse for all that work, and that many of the innovations of the last ~10-15 years are "fixing" things that weren't problems to begin with while creating new problems. And yet because all the substrate is shifting around, even if you don't break something someone else will. Could we go back to a world of redundant interchangeable parts where if somebody breaks something, you just cut them off and use a substitute that works just as well?

Or maybe that's well and truly gone and we're just fated to another dark age. I'm reminded of the Smarter Scrubber documentary that found that basically the whole supply chain was gone and it was impossible to make something useful in America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZTGwcHQfLY

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Posting a quick TL;DW. A minute into the video Chuck Moore says that Windows updates (on 11 and 10) have caused colorForth to crash, with Chuck thinking it's a graphical problem. I may comment more, but I wanted to post this because I don't see it mentioned as a youtube comment.

I could've sworn I saw something in the last month or two about BITBLT or DirectX changes on Windows.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would be the best use of his last few years? Sitting in an easy chair by the pool? Using your last few years to exercise your brain and ward off cognitive decline might be the best way to ensure those last few years are fulfilling and not just marking time before the end.

That's quite a dichotomy here. He can exercise his brain and ward off cognitive decline without working on Colorforth specifically...

Some people have trouble doing meaningless intellectual pursuits like crosswords, sudoku etc.

Working on Colorforth might be the greatest meaning in his life.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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It is sad to see. I understand where he is coming from though. He is 87 and doesn't think recoding a super niche' software tool is the best use of what very well may be his last few years of life. He still seems super sharp though and is a major inspiration.

Isn't that part of the Forth mantra though, to be written to the lowest level possible, eschewing portability, interoperability, hard coding fonts, etc., to achieve the simplest, most minimal implementation possible?

https://www.ultratechnology.com/forth.htm

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Posting a quick TL;DW. A minute into the video Chuck Moore says that Windows updates (on 11 and 10) have caused colorForth to crash, with Chuck thinking it's a graphical problem. I may comment more, but I wanted to post this because I don't see it mentioned as a youtube comment.

Did Microsoft seriously deprecate BitBlt and 2D draw calls?

If so, it seems as if Windows is undergoing a Waylandization. "Yeah, we went ahead and removed those because they're legacy. Modern rendering pipelines don't work that way anymore." I don't WANT a rendering pipeline! I want a surface, and to make calls to scribble on it! That's it!

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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It is sad to see. I understand where he is coming from though. He is 87 and doesn't think recoding a super niche' software tool is the best use of what very well may be his last few years of life. He still seems super sharp though and is a major inspiration.

Isn't that part of the Forth mantra though, to be written to the lowest level possible, eschewing portability, interoperability, hard coding fonts, etc., to achieve the simplest, most minimal implementation possible? https://www.ultratechnology.com/forth.htm

must. not. go. too. deep. into. forth. rabbithole.

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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I wonder sometimes if there's an earlier level of technology that society could basically "checkpoint" at and freeze, and then build off of. Capitalism today feels like it's hit the Red Queen Paradox - it goes around and around to keep the money flowing, but with very little actual progress. Indeed, most people seem to feel like the world is getting worse for all that work, and that many of the innovations of the las…

What level of computing would you checkpoint at? https://saul.pw/mag/computer/

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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Posting a quick TL;DW. A minute into the video Chuck Moore says that Windows updates (on 11 and 10) have caused colorForth to crash, with Chuck thinking it's a graphical problem. I may comment more, but I wanted to post this because I don't see it mentioned as a youtube comment.

I could've sworn I saw something in the last month or two about BITBLT or DirectX changes on Windows.

If there is, does anyone have any info on this?

Re: Chuck Moore: Colorforth has stopped working [video]

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It is sad to see. I understand where he is coming from though. He is 87 and doesn't think recoding a super niche' software tool is the best use of what very well may be his last few years of life. He still seems super sharp though and is a major inspiration.

Isn't that part of the Forth mantra though, to be written to the lowest level possible, eschewing portability, interoperability, hard coding fonts, etc., to achieve the simplest, most minimal implementation possible? https://www.ultratechnology.com/forth.htm

Forth is generally all about minimalism as I understand it, but that has nothing to do with what I wrote. I was just saying the man obviously wants to focus on something else at this stage of his life and that is perfectly okay. I think he might port to Raspberry Pi if he was a few years younger, but he pointed out that he didn't think it was worth it at this point.
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