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Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by up-n-atom »

blibble wrote: post #4
jmkni wrote: post #2

Windows is solid under the hood, but the UI/UX is crap and has gotten progressively worse over the years MacOS isn't perfect either, but it is so much better in not trying to upsell you at every single opportunity Just let me use my fucking computer lol

the kernel might still be good but the userland is just awful in every way imaginable they have even managed to screw up file explorer and the start menu it's so slow I can see it render the interface, like watching compuserve render a webpage on a 2400 bad modem (high end i9 box) I bet it's not long until React ends up in the kernel too

I dual boot with Fedora but rarely ever boot into Windows, last week was 1 of those times and seeing the menu render on right click in explorer had me shutting down in frustration.

How did we forget about deferred rendering, offscreen buffers, etc. And why is it so darn slow? It’s a deplorable experience and it’s obvious strictly Windows users have become desensitized and numb to it all.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by what-the-grump »

jmkni wrote: post #2

Windows is solid under the hood, but the UI/UX is crap and has gotten progressively worse over the years MacOS isn't perfect either, but it is so much better in not trying to upsell you at every single opportunity Just let me use my fucking computer lol

I run fleets for windows machines, servers, w10, w11, from a Mac.

What Microsoft has done to windows 10 and 11 is ridiculous.

Why is my taskbar still crashing in 2025. Why does opening task manager spike my cpu to 100%. Search its 2025, search still broken. OOBE experience is a joke.

For crying out loud I don’t even care if you make the entire gui rest based and hosted in azure it would perform better than the trash running now.

At this point the Azure management portal has a higher SLA and uptime than my task bar.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by graemep »

pjmlp wrote: post #9

Unfortunately I kind of doubt it, although Windows is still what I get to use, not paying Apple tax and Tahoe isn't great either, and I have better things to do than fine tuning Linux installations, even on laptops sold with it pre-installed like my old Asus netbook. Lets see in practice how much they are actually listening. Now, this would be a great opportunity to actually get stuff like Dell XPS with Ubuntu on PC…

> I have better things to do than fine tuning Linux installations, even on laptops sold with it pre-installed like my old Asus netbook

This seems to be claiming Windows is better because you cannot fine tune it. No one forces you to fine tune Linux. You can just buy something with Linux preinstalled and use it and skip the tuning and customisation.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

#14

Post by walterbell »

Sophira wrote: post #7
baka367 wrote: post #6

The very point that Microsoft devs need two machines in their work, one to do dew stuff, another - with its own special flavor of locked down windows - to touch anything that is even remotely similar to prod (including staging with no real data) says a lot about Microsoft stance on developers and power users ..

Where can I find more information about this? I had never heard that they use two computers like that before.

Maybe PAW? https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/security/privileged-access...

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by graemep »

jmkni wrote: post #2

Windows is solid under the hood, but the UI/UX is crap and has gotten progressively worse over the years MacOS isn't perfect either, but it is so much better in not trying to upsell you at every single opportunity Just let me use my fucking computer lol

> Just let me use my fucking computer lol

Why? Look at it from Microsoft's point of view - upselling, showing ads, integrating AI is more profitable or sends the share price up. That gives them a strong incentive to keep doing it.

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Post by Neywiny »

It all feels too little too late. Developers have long since abandoned Windows as a go-to if it ever was one. The amount of projects, even for cross platform languages like Python that basically boil down to run it on Linux only or WSL speaks volumes. And of course anybody who tries to do serious work on Windows has the experience of bloat. Even a classmate in school, borrowing her mom's work laptop for the day while her Mac was under the weather noted how painfully slow it was and how short the battery life was, and of course there's like 10 anti virus programs running. Windows laptops get loaded up with so much junk that even if the OS was better, it still grinds productivity to a halt. Truly disappointing.

And relative to the agentic, I saw a painful demo of using some voice assistant to change the scaling ratio. Which if search was better or anybody gave a hoot about cortana, should be an already solved problem.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by z3ratul163071 »

up-n-atom wrote: post #11
blibble wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the kernel might still be good but the userland is just awful in every way imaginable they have even managed to screw up file explorer and the start menu it's so slow I can see it render the interface, like watching compuserve render a webpage on a 2400 bad modem (high end i9 box) I bet it's not long until React ends up in the kernel too

I dual boot with Fedora but rarely ever boot into Windows, last week was 1 of those times and seeing the menu render on right click in explorer had me shutting down in frustration. How did we forget about deferred rendering, offscreen buffers, etc. And why is it so darn slow? It’s a deplorable experience and it’s obvious strictly Windows users have become desensitized and numb to it all.

on my last machine i maybe booted windows 5 times.

when switching to the new machine i realized i did not actually need windows at all already for 2-3 years straight.

so now I don't have dual boot. only arch with kde.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

#19

Post by chrisandchris »

pjmlp wrote: post #9

Unfortunately I kind of doubt it, although Windows is still what I get to use, not paying Apple tax and Tahoe isn't great either, and I have better things to do than fine tuning Linux installations, even on laptops sold with it pre-installed like my old Asus netbook. Lets see in practice how much they are actually listening. Now, this would be a great opportunity to actually get stuff like Dell XPS with Ubuntu on PC…

Like one could say

> and I have better things to do than uninstall Teams, LinkedIn, Spotify and undo some random settings after each update.

about Windows.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

#20

Post by Mindwipe »

This story seems overly kind. They aren't going to do anything to fix Windows burning platform, and just try and cram in more AI.

A PR statement that amounts to "we still love you" with no action whatsoever means nothing. We've had years of terrible management decisions about Windows 11 at this point. If they want any trust back statements aren't going to cut it, they would need to actually do things that they don't like and that users do.

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