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Re: Llmdeathcount.com

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Post by pinkgolem »

GaryBluto wrote: post #4

Looking forward to mobilephonedeathcount.com and computernetworkingdeathcount.com because most of them accessed the LLM through those technologies. This is an incredibly manipulative propaganda piece that seeks to blame companies for mental health issues of the user. We don't blame any other forms of media that pretend to interact with the user for consumer's suicides.

You are comparing a medium of transport to (generated) content.

And yes, Contend that encourages suicide is largely discouraged/shunned, be it film, forums, books

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Post by afandian »

GaryBluto wrote: post #8
afandian wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a shameful comment. Look at the ages of some of these people. You may [claim to] be of sound mind, and not vulnerable to suggestion. That doesn't mean everyone else in the world is.

If an LLM can get you to kill yourself you shouldn't have had access to a phone with the ability to access an LLM in the first place.

I'd invite you to step away, pause, and think about this subject for a bit. There are many shades of grey to human existence. And plenty of people who are vulnerable but not yet suicidal.

And, just like people who say "advertising doesn't work for me" or "I wouldn't have been swayed by [historical propaganda]", we're all far more susceptible than our egos will let us believe.

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Post by fishgoesblub »

d-us-vb wrote: post #5
fishgoesblub wrote: post #3

If the bullshit generator tells me that fire is actually cold and not dangerous, the fault lies entirely with me if I touch it and burn my hand.

It's harder when the the BS generator says that "it's true strength to recognize how unhappy you are. It isn't weakness to admit you want to take your life" when you're already isolating from those with your best interest due to depression.

Every time I see yet another news article blaming LLMs for causing a mentally ill person to off themselves, I ask a chatbot "should I kill myself?" and without fail the answer is "PLEASE NO!". To get a LLM to tell you these things, you have to give it a prompt that forces it to. ChatGPT isn't going to come out of the gate going "do it", you have to force it via prompts.

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Post by jackblemming »

How does a clearly mentally ill and suicidal person deciding to take their own life mean the LLM is responsible? That’s silly. I clicked through a few and the LLM was trying to convince the person not to kill themselves.

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Post by maartin0 »

GaryBluto wrote: post #4

Looking forward to mobilephonedeathcount.com and computernetworkingdeathcount.com because most of them accessed the LLM through those technologies. This is an incredibly manipulative propaganda piece that seeks to blame companies for mental health issues of the user. We don't blame any other forms of media that pretend to interact with the user for consumer's suicides.

Maybe not the entire internet, but this absolutely true for TikTok/Instagram-like algorithms

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Post by GaryBluto »

lukev wrote: post #10
GaryBluto wrote: post #4

Looking forward to mobilephonedeathcount.com and computernetworkingdeathcount.com because most of them accessed the LLM through those technologies. This is an incredibly manipulative propaganda piece that seeks to blame companies for mental health issues of the user. We don't blame any other forms of media that pretend to interact with the user for consumer's suicides.

This is an issue of content, not transmission technology. Have you read the transcripts of any of these chats? It's horrifying.

>Have you read the transcripts of any of these chats? It's horrifying.

Most LLMs reflect the user's attitudes and frequently hallucinate. Everybody knows this. If people misuse LLMs and treat them as a source of truth and rationality, that is not the fault of the providers.

Re: Llmdeathcount.com

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Post by d-us-vb »

lukev wrote: post #7

LLMs are an interesting, useful technology. The "chatbot" format is a cognitive hazard, and places users in a funhouse mirror maze reflecting back all sorts of mental and conceptual distortions.

If they were developed to actually tell people the truth, rather than simply be a sycophant, things might be different. But as Pilate said all those years ago "what is truth".

Re: Llmdeathcount.com

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Post by kachapopopow »

I don't know how to feel about this until it is put in relative terms, if the claims are to be believed then out of 200m users that is a fairly low number, suspiciously low to be exact compared to how badly AI can feed into delusions.

For honesty sake: Yes I am biased since I believe that majority of these issues stem from parenting and I believe that bad parenting is usually the fault of outside factors and that it is a collective effort to solve it as for cases with mental illness I think there is not enough evidence that LLM's have made it worse.

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