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Meta Says the 2,400 'Adult Movies' They Torrented Were for Personal Use

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Re: Meta Says the 2,400 'Adult Movies' They Torrented Were for Personal Use

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From the linked Ars article:

> Notably, the flagged downloads spanned seven years, starting in 2018. That’s about four years before Meta’s AI efforts “researching Multimodal Models and Generative Video” began

> Instead, Meta argued, available evidence “is plainly indicative” that the flagged adult content was torrented for “private personal use”—since the small amount linked to Meta IP addresses and employees represented only “a few dozen titles per year intermittently obtained one file at a time.”

Personal use sounds plausible to me when imagining something like 70k employees and a bit of a "bro" culture.

Re: Meta Says the 2,400 'Adult Movies' They Torrented Were for Personal Use

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You gotta hand it to Meta, that's one creative defense. "Sorry your honor, our entire engineering team are certified gooners. We have documentation."

> unlike lawsuits raised by book authors whose works are part of an enormous dataset used to train AI, the activity on Meta’s corporate IP addresses only amounted to about 22 downloads per year It's an entertaining headline, but it actually seems legit rather than a creative legal defense.

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Re: Meta Says the 2,400 'Adult Movies' They Torrented Were for Personal Use

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> argues the supposed downloads, which are roughly 22 per year

the math doesn't add up since that implies it took 100+ years to accumulate 2400 violations, but just looking at 2400 torrents, how many employees does Meta have? With at least several thousand guys, if some have poor 'keeping work and home separate' hygiene, and especially with work-from-home, they probably just forgot to disconnect from VPN after work. Seems more likely than a very sloppy AI training scheme. If they wanted to so such a scheme, it's so easy to do using a public VPN.

EDIT: If I'm reading right, they're actually just basing their suit on HOME IP addresses. So we're being asked to believe the plan was:

1. Top secret porn AI plan is hatched

2. Management considers how to accomplish this and decided the best course of action is to tell dozens of engineers to go home and download a handful of porn torrents each and bring them into work to train it.

3. ???

4. Profit!

Re: Meta Says the 2,400 'Adult Movies' They Torrented Were for Personal Use

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This is funny, but from the article it also seems like a pretty frivolous law suit that is more of a shakedown racket than protecting the actual business. From the article: this amounts to only about 20 videos per year and the evidence is based on home IP addresses of employees. Such as: “The father of a Meta contractor whose home IP address allegedly downloaded 97 videos. Strike 3 suggests this links Meta to more in…

>From the article: this amounts to only about 20 videos per year and the evidence is based on home IP addresses of employees. Such as: “The father of a Meta contractor whose home IP address allegedly downloaded 97 videos. Strike 3 suggests this links Meta to more infringement. Meta counters that it only proves someone’s dad is super into porn and has no VPN”.

The linked article mentions there was torrenting activity from Meta's ip blocks as well:

>This prompted Strike 3 and Counterlife Media to search for Meta-linked IP addresses in their archive of collected BitTorrent data. This scan revealed that forty-seven IP addresses, identified as owned by Facebook, allegedly infringed their copyrighted works.

Re: Meta Says the 2,400 'Adult Movies' They Torrented Were for Personal Use

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>Meta, naturally, argues that no! No! That porn was, uh…it was for personal use! Yeah, it was for…me, and not for large-scale copyright infringement! >[...] >Meta’s motion to dismiss the case calls Strike 3’s torrent-tracking “guesswork and innuendo” and argues the supposed downloads, which are roughly 22 per year, are too few to have any use in training AI. If anything, the company says, that pattern looks less like…

My skepticism would stem from the usual corporate firewall scanning. I routinely get blocked going to innocuous things which are on an uncommon domain or are otherwise on some block list. Recently, I could not visit the DuckLake homepage which is on the .select domain.

That torrents and/or porn are not hard blocked is surprising. For the low volume, I suppose anything can get through.

Re: Meta Says the 2,400 'Adult Movies' They Torrented Were for Personal Use

#18
Using torrent is actually an argument in favour of AI usage - people, I think, usually just watch movies on the web? Also, with torrents you would have to wait, while, as a proverb says, "a spoon is needed before the dinner". Or these are the premium type of movies that can be found for free only at torrent sites and are downloaded for later viewing?

Re: Meta Says the 2,400 'Adult Movies' They Torrented Were for Personal Use

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post #8

This is funny, but from the article it also seems like a pretty frivolous law suit that is more of a shakedown racket than protecting the actual business. From the article: this amounts to only about 20 videos per year and the evidence is based on home IP addresses of employees. Such as: “The father of a Meta contractor whose home IP address allegedly downloaded 97 videos. Strike 3 suggests this links Meta to more in…

Another article explains that there were more IPs (not officially registered for Meta) and more movies [1]

[1] https://torrentfreak.com/copyright-lawsuit-accuses-meta-of-p...

Re: Meta Says the 2,400 'Adult Movies' They Torrented Were for Personal Use

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> argues the supposed downloads, which are roughly 22 per year the math doesn't add up since that implies it took 100+ years to accumulate 2400 violations, but just looking at 2400 torrents, how many employees does Meta have? With at least several thousand guys, if some have poor 'keeping work and home separate' hygiene, and especially with work-from-home, they probably just forgot to disconnect from VPN after work.…

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