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The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by johnisgood »

doublerabbit wrote: post #9
thw_9a83c wrote: post #4

Apparently it didn't work last time, so why not try again with a more vague language, an expanded scope and even slapping the age verification on top of it? And all of this while still preserving our privacy. This time, we should feel 100% completely reassured (from the proposal): Regulation whilst still allowing for end-to-end encryption, nothing in this Regulation should be interpreted as prohibiting, weakening or…

This.. seriously “Digital House Arrest”: Teens under 16 face a blanket ban from WhatsApp, Instagram, online games, and countless other apps with chat functions, allegedly to protect them from grooming. For which I agree. “Digital isolation instead of education, protection by exclusion instead of empowerment – this is paternalistic, out of touch with reality, and pedagogical nonsense.”

I completely disagree.

I would not know English or anything about computers, and my childhood would have been quite sad were there such a retarded ban[1]. I do not care about WhatsApp and Instagram, but online games and apps with chat functions? Come on now. "Allegedly" is the keyword.

At any rate, see Roblox and Discord. Do something with those platforms first. :)

[1] I was around 12 years old when I met an older guy IRL who I have met in an online game initially. Can you imagine the safety? :D He showed me his laptop on which he had a Linux distro installed, and the rest is history.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by demarq »

randomtoast wrote: post #2

The problem is that they can repeat this game indefinitely, Chat Control 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 231.24, ... Just slightly modify the initial Chat Control proposal, make it sound less harsh, and then resubmit it until they achieve a sufficient majority in the EU Parliament, while the general public gets too tired of the topic to create sufficient resistance.

That the EU has these “closed door” processes doesn’t sound very democratic.

The frequency, aggression and coordination around chat control, both in the Uk and Eu tells me there is a single entity.

It’s not just by chance

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by dfawcus »

These things are rather pointless, as one could always use a standalone encryption app, and copy&paste text to and from a non encrypted chat app. i.e. how one originally made use of PGP.

The difficulty which PGP had of key exchange could be handled somewhat like Signal does now, via a personal physical sync of the phones.

At which point, the authorities will still be able to make use of "traffic analysis" as they always have. So they'll be able to tell which parties are communicating, but not what is being said.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by whynotmakealt »

nik_ca wrote: post #15

Do you know where there is no chat control possible? XMPP / Jabber [1]. Private, convenient, reliable, distributed, free. [1] https://xmpp.org/

Isn't the same true for matrix as well?

I appreciate xmpp as well but I have actually seen uses of matrix in open source community etc. a lot more so what are your thoughts on it?

Note for anyone interested in matrix, to not use the main matrix.org but other instances as well to actually have more decentralization/distribution

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by archerx »

demarq wrote: post #12
randomtoast wrote: post #2

The problem is that they can repeat this game indefinitely, Chat Control 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 231.24, ... Just slightly modify the initial Chat Control proposal, make it sound less harsh, and then resubmit it until they achieve a sufficient majority in the EU Parliament, while the general public gets too tired of the topic to create sufficient resistance.

That the EU has these “closed door” processes doesn’t sound very democratic. The frequency, aggression and coordination around chat control, both in the Uk and Eu tells me there is a single entity. It’s not just by chance

The “you voted wrong and will make you keep voting until you get it right” type of “democracy”.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by squarefoot »

txrx0000 wrote: post #5
randomtoast wrote: post #2

The problem is that they can repeat this game indefinitely, Chat Control 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 231.24, ... Just slightly modify the initial Chat Control proposal, make it sound less harsh, and then resubmit it until they achieve a sufficient majority in the EU Parliament, while the general public gets too tired of the topic to create sufficient resistance.

This might keep happening if nobody knows who "they" are. Those individuals need to be found and publically shamed.

fightchatcontrol.eu published the complete list of all countries stance on Chat Control and all representatives. They can be contacted via mail directly from the site.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by mrsssnake »

nik_ca wrote: post #15

Do you know where there is no chat control possible? XMPP / Jabber [1]. Private, convenient, reliable, distributed, free. [1] https://xmpp.org/

Unless you are going to self-host, you would be required to provide government ID for registration on a server.
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