I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.
OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules
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#12It would be so hilarious if GEMA was actually useful for once and not a detriment to society and artists in general. However of course OpenAI will ignore this and at worst nothing will change and at best they get a slap on the wrist and a fine and continue scraping. You can’t take that stuff out of the models at this point anyway.
I made a living from GEMA payments some while back, but dear lord, so much of how the institution does what it does feels so bad and zero-sum. Might just be that the world would be better off without it. It does something important for right holders for sure, but (and I understand, I am heavily back-seating here without offering a solution) there must be better ways to go about it.
Now, without the fimförderung all those grim dark arthouse movies where people yell "Scheisse!" in Berlin stairwells would never be made. And all that public gremium pleasing shovelware, looking extracute and boring clogging up the appstores with zero sales, what would we do without that.
Take anything popular streamingwise and ask yourself would it get through and by. And if it was stopped by what and who.. fire that, to fix germanys media sector.
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#13With AI slop showing up everywhere, there’s a real danger that folks will just no longer be motivated to produce real original content. With all major models not basically trained on nearly all available data, beyond the financial AI bubble about to burst there’s also a big content bubble that’s about exhausted as folks are just pumping out slop vs producing original creative human output. That may be the ultimate lo…
I will not stop writing music or drawing my furry bullshit, no matter the culture climate around me. Don't get your hopes up ;3
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#14I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.
In curious why you think the rule of law is a bluff.
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#15I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.
In curious why you think the rule of law is a bluff.
Probably pattern recognition
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#16I found this bit very revealing:
> Since the output would only be generated as a result of user inputs known as prompts, it was not the defendants, but the respective user who would be liable for it, OpenAI had argued.
Another glimpse into the "mind" of a tech corporation allowing itself full freedom to profit from the vast body of human work available online, while explicitly declining any societal responsibility at all. It's the user's fault, he wrote an illegal prompt! We're only providing the "technology"!
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#17It would be so hilarious if GEMA was actually useful for once and not a detriment to society and artists in general. However of course OpenAI will ignore this and at worst nothing will change and at best they get a slap on the wrist and a fine and continue scraping. You can’t take that stuff out of the models at this point anyway.
It'd be equally hilarious if that VC money would be used to actually better society by crushing GEMA in court.
But realistically, all that will happen is that the "Pauschalabgabe" is extended to AI subscriptions, making stuff more expensive for everyone.
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#18I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.
Claude and Gemini would become more popular.
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#19With AI slop showing up everywhere, there’s a real danger that folks will just no longer be motivated to produce real original content. With all major models not basically trained on nearly all available data, beyond the financial AI bubble about to burst there’s also a big content bubble that’s about exhausted as folks are just pumping out slop vs producing original creative human output. That may be the ultimate lo…
> With AI slop showing up everywhere, there’s a real danger that folks will just no longer be motivated to produce real original content.
I think people would still produce original things as long they have the means for doing it. I guess we could say it is our nature. My fear is AI monopolizing the wealth that once would go to support people producing art.
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#20I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.
There are many competing providers of commercial LLMs with equal capabilities, so another vendor would probably be happy to serve a leading Western market of 83 million people.