The subpoena is for archive.today.
The .is TLD is run by ISNIC and they process registrations directly, and operating out of Iceland, it would be very strange if they took orders from the FBI.
FBI orders domain registrar to reveal who runs mysterious Archive.is site
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Re: FBI orders domain registrar to reveal who runs mysterious Archive.is site
#12> The subpoena is supposed to be secret Ars inventing their own colour here. This is simply not true.
>Ars inventing their own colour here. This is simply not true. What are you talking about? Right at the top of the subpoena it literally says in bold and all caps, and I quote: >YOU ARE REQUESTED NOT TO DISCLOSE THE EXISTENCE OF THIS SUBPOENA INDEFNITELY AS ANY SUCH DISCLOSURE COULD INTERFERE WITH AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW.
The "requested" part sounds like it's not mandatory, otherwise they would have used something like "you're not allowed to..." or similar language.
Re: FBI orders domain registrar to reveal who runs mysterious Archive.is site
#13Regardless of this situation I actually think that websites like Archive and TWBM should be fully transparent. A very large partition of citations in Wikipedia for example relies on them. Most of the pages that cite archived copies do so because the live version is no longer available I would like to have some assurances that archive.is and the likes are not altering their content in any way over time. Unironically c…
Why would the blockchain be useful here? You don’t need a blockchain to store a hash.
Re: FBI orders domain registrar to reveal who runs mysterious Archive.is site
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Ars inventing their own colour here. This is simply not true. What are you talking about? Right at the top of the subpoena it literally says in bold and all caps, and I quote: >YOU ARE REQUESTED NOT TO DISCLOSE THE EXISTENCE OF THIS SUBPOENA INDEFNITELY AS ANY SUCH DISCLOSURE COULD INTERFERE WITH AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW.
The "requested" part sounds like it's not mandatory, otherwise they would have used something like "you're not allowed to..." or similar language.
Sounds like a notice that disclosure could result in outcomes that make the discloser liable of (the crime? of) interfering-with-an-investigation.
And thus to avoid that risk, to think twice before disclosing. Disclosure would only be punished if the specific circumstances actually result in legally-considered-(unlawful-)interference.
Re: FBI orders domain registrar to reveal who runs mysterious Archive.is site
#15Regardless of this situation I actually think that websites like Archive and TWBM should be fully transparent. A very large partition of citations in Wikipedia for example relies on them. Most of the pages that cite archived copies do so because the live version is no longer available I would like to have some assurances that archive.is and the likes are not altering their content in any way over time. Unironically c…
Why would the blockchain be useful here? You don’t need a blockchain to store a hash.
You do need some kind of reliable, distributed storage though. The sequential nature of a blockchain also ensures that such stored content is held no matter what by any full node.
Re: FBI orders domain registrar to reveal who runs mysterious Archive.is site
#16Re: FBI orders domain registrar to reveal who runs mysterious Archive.is site
#17Regardless of this situation I actually think that websites like Archive and TWBM should be fully transparent. A very large partition of citations in Wikipedia for example relies on them. Most of the pages that cite archived copies do so because the live version is no longer available I would like to have some assurances that archive.is and the likes are not altering their content in any way over time. Unironically c…
> very large partition of citations in Wikipedia for example relies on them
Is the Internet Archive related to archive.is?
Re: FBI orders domain registrar to reveal who runs mysterious Archive.is site
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would the blockchain be useful here? You don’t need a blockchain to store a hash.
You do need some kind of reliable, distributed storage though. The sequential nature of a blockchain also ensures that such stored content is held no matter what by any full node.
It's a hash.
Re: FBI orders domain registrar to reveal who runs mysterious Archive.is site
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Ars inventing their own colour here. This is simply not true. What are you talking about? Right at the top of the subpoena it literally says in bold and all caps, and I quote: >YOU ARE REQUESTED NOT TO DISCLOSE THE EXISTENCE OF THIS SUBPOENA INDEFNITELY AS ANY SUCH DISCLOSURE COULD INTERFERE WITH AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW.
The "requested" part sounds like it's not mandatory, otherwise they would have used something like "you're not allowed to..." or similar language.
The "supposed" part as well.
Re: FBI orders domain registrar to reveal who runs mysterious Archive.is site
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
You do need some kind of reliable, distributed storage though. The sequential nature of a blockchain also ensures that such stored content is held no matter what by any full node.
It's a hash.
You both need to generate the hash at the point of archival correctly and store it in a way that cannot be modified later on.
Doing that with a blockchain like tech is one of the few use cases where the tech itself actually adds value.
Heck you might be able to store the entire pages on a blockchain or a blockchain linked storage.
The problem with these sites is that we implicitly trust them and unlike a book or other handprint media where editing or destroying all unedited existing copies is effectively impossible if a shady actor can easily start editing archived news articles and other sites that are no longer publicly available.