I'm always boggled by the logic of thinking that somehow having big companies going around doing harmful actions to people is "good for the economy" or "keeps us competitive". If having strict AI regulations means AI companies leave Europe, that's good! I wish we could do the same and get them to leave the US. These big AI companies are bad. We shouldn't want them, we shouldn't try to attract them, we shouldn't provide any conciliations or incentives. The sooner and more completely they're eradicated from any jurisdiction, the better. Forcing that kind of toxic waste out of your country should be perceived as a win.
European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws
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Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws
#12It's a tricky balance to strike. I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race, and I do want them to be more competitive in the tech landscape. At the moment, EU really isn't competitive in tech (and neither in tech salaries) and it leads to a certain amount of 'brain drain' as people move abroad. So while I do understand the need for regulations, they shouldn't regulate themselves into irrelevance. I don't…
But what is 'tech'? When we say the EU isn't competitive in 'tech', what technology capacity do they lack?
I think 'tech' as a category doesnt make much sense any more. It's like saying 'road-based business'. Most companies are 'tech' companies.
Ignoring the technical element, what are US megacorps that account for all the GDP growth of the last while?
Mostly ad market monopolies, then mostly massive-scale IP theft, etc.
I think the EU is 'behind' the US only in it's inability to be well-positioned to build massive rent-seeking megacorps. I dont see where-else this gap is supposed to be.
What, on 'tech' should the EU be doing differently? Just allowing megacorps to add 30% to every transaction?
If this US tech bubble bursts, it's not clear that the EU won't be better positioned to pick up the pieces.
Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean abroad? I don't think anyone is considering moving to the USA. But maybe you mean a different country?
I think you replied to the wrong thread ^^;
I think it was meant to be https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45880024.
Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws
#14"Draft changes would create new exceptions for AI companies that would allow them to legally process special categories of data (like a person’s religious or political beliefs, ethnicity or health data) to train and operate their tech."
Fully anonymized health data I can somehow understand, but what kind of AI needs to be trained with "a person's religious or political beliefs [or] ethnicity", anonymized or not?
Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws
#15I like the EU, but what's annoying about things like this, or the Chat Control law that keeps getting pushed, is that civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game. I wonder what harm companies are even claiming. But honestly makes perfect sense that Germany's current conservative government is in favor of it. Giant GDP boosts are always just…
> Giant GDP boosts are always just one deregulation away, hm?
Honestly, reducing the complexity of incorporating and paying taxes in Germany would quickly improve the dire situation of startups here. It's so bad right now that a tax advisor straight up told me to move to a less business-hostile country.
Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws
#16Hopefully it's the end of GDPR and privacy laws that absolutely no one requested.
Like nobody requested that encrypted chats stop being encrypted or that X becomes a censorship target of EU comissars
Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws
#17It's a tricky balance to strike. I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race, and I do want them to be more competitive in the tech landscape. At the moment, EU really isn't competitive in tech (and neither in tech salaries) and it leads to a certain amount of 'brain drain' as people move abroad. So while I do understand the need for regulations, they shouldn't regulate themselves into irrelevance. I don't…
> I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race
Unless something changes, that's going to continue :(
According to Jensen Huang, "the AI race" will be determined primarily by the price of electricity.[0]
Until very recently the EU stated that being carbon neutral by 2050 was of overriding importance[1].
Which is it?
[0] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... [1] https://climate.ec.europa.eu/eu-action/climate-strategies-ta...
Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws
#18It's a tricky balance to strike. I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race, and I do want them to be more competitive in the tech landscape. At the moment, EU really isn't competitive in tech (and neither in tech salaries) and it leads to a certain amount of 'brain drain' as people move abroad. So while I do understand the need for regulations, they shouldn't regulate themselves into irrelevance. I don't…
> I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race Unless something changes, that's going to continue :( According to Jensen Huang, "the AI race" will be determined primarily by the price of electricity.[0] Until very recently the EU stated that being carbon neutral by 2050 was of overriding importance[1]. Which is it? [0] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... [1] https://climate.ec.eur…
China's target is 2060.
Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws
#19It's a tricky balance to strike. I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race, and I do want them to be more competitive in the tech landscape. At the moment, EU really isn't competitive in tech (and neither in tech salaries) and it leads to a certain amount of 'brain drain' as people move abroad. So while I do understand the need for regulations, they shouldn't regulate themselves into irrelevance. I don't…
But what is 'tech'? When we say the EU isn't competitive in 'tech', what technology capacity do they lack? I think 'tech' as a category doesnt make much sense any more. It's like saying 'road-based business'. Most companies are 'tech' companies. Ignoring the technical element, what are US megacorps that account for all the GDP growth of the last while? Mostly ad market monopolies, then mostly massive-scale IP theft,…
> Mostly ad market monopolies, then mostly massive-scale IP theft, etc.
Good point. I think that the EU has an opportunity to really grow here by focusing on intellectual property enforcement, patents, copyright, and generally more strict enforcement on making sure returns for ideas go to the first person to think of them. The EU already has a pretty strong governance lead and should double down on where its strengths lie.
Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws
#20It's a tricky balance to strike. I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race, and I do want them to be more competitive in the tech landscape. At the moment, EU really isn't competitive in tech (and neither in tech salaries) and it leads to a certain amount of 'brain drain' as people move abroad. So while I do understand the need for regulations, they shouldn't regulate themselves into irrelevance. I don't…
> I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race Unless something changes, that's going to continue :( According to Jensen Huang, "the AI race" will be determined primarily by the price of electricity.[0] Until very recently the EU stated that being carbon neutral by 2050 was of overriding importance[1]. Which is it? [0] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... [1] https://climate.ec.eur…
Nuclear energy is carbon neutral according to the EU definition