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Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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I resent the implication that us being separate countries is a "historical quirk." It's condescending at best and exemplifies why we feel increasingly distant from the US. It's like saying that Belgium and the Netherlands, or Spain and Portugal, or Germany and Switzerland are one historical quirk away from being the same countries.

I mean, it's entirely possible that a historic quirk 300+ years ago leads to an increasingly distant relationship today. It's definitely possible to intepret this the way Russia speaks about Ukraine - "They shouldn't even be a country *except for a historical quirk", but a charitable interpretation would be more along the lines of "things could have gone slightly differently and we'd be countrymen, but instead we bro…

After this past year of US political discourse, you'll forgive me for not extending the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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The most damning thing about this is the Canadian gov would struggle to find 300k people in the rest of the population that it would trust with skilling up in those ways. Federal public servants will be the last bastion of the values they try to force on everyone else. It is in the process of spending vast amounts of money to remove guns from legal gun owners that are subject to absolutely amazing amounts of oversigh…

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Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I resent the implication that us being separate countries is a "historical quirk." It's condescending at best and exemplifies why we feel increasingly distant from the US. It's like saying that Belgium and the Netherlands, or Spain and Portugal, or Germany and Switzerland are one historical quirk away from being the same countries.

I mean, it's entirely possible that a historic quirk 300+ years ago leads to an increasingly distant relationship today. It's definitely possible to intepret this the way Russia speaks about Ukraine - "They shouldn't even be a country *except for a historical quirk", but a charitable interpretation would be more along the lines of "things could have gone slightly differently and we'd be countrymen, but instead we bro…

No need to interpret. The exact same line colechristensen wrote has been used by Russias about Ukraine many times.

Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Canada has been running about 1% of gdp military spending, despite obligation of 2%; with new promise to meet 5%. a 500% increase to the size of our military in short order is the promise. Our reserves are at about 40,000. They announced the plan to go to 400,000. 10x the size. It's not so much about any outside fears, it's just meeting our obligations.The fear about Russia or China is unfounded. The problem is that…

Why is the US our greatest ally?

36 stratagems says "Befriend a distant state and strike a neighbouring one"

Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I resent the implication that us being separate countries is a "historical quirk." It's condescending at best and exemplifies why we feel increasingly distant from the US. It's like saying that Belgium and the Netherlands, or Spain and Portugal, or Germany and Switzerland are one historical quirk away from being the same countries.

> It's like saying that Belgium and the Netherlands, or Spain and Portugal, or Germany and Switzerland are one historical quirk away from being the same countries. I think you could say this about any of those countries, although Switzerland's mountainous location means that it would always resist being part of a larger polity.

> means that it would always resist being part of a larger polity.

More like it can resist in a more cost effective way and that subjugating them is worth less.

Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Canada has been running about 1% of gdp military spending, despite obligation of 2%; with new promise to meet 5%. a 500% increase to the size of our military in short order is the promise. Our reserves are at about 40,000. They announced the plan to go to 400,000. 10x the size. It's not so much about any outside fears, it's just meeting our obligations.The fear about Russia or China is unfounded. The problem is that…

>The problem is that the USA our greatest ally isn't letting us use them as a shield.

I personally think that Canada can be our (US) greatest ally, but this is only true in the hard-power sense of the word if Canada does actually meet its defense obligations.

Canada has a huge coastline, directly adjacent to our most significant threats (China & Russia), yet doesn't have a navy to speak of.

We need Canada to step up to its own defense so we can keep being equal allies, otherwise Canada is a de facto protectorate and should pay for that privilege.

Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Canada has been running about 1% of gdp military spending, despite obligation of 2%; with new promise to meet 5%. a 500% increase to the size of our military in short order is the promise. Our reserves are at about 40,000. They announced the plan to go to 400,000. 10x the size. It's not so much about any outside fears, it's just meeting our obligations.The fear about Russia or China is unfounded. The problem is that…

> The fear about Russia or China is unfounded.

That dismisses the greatest security threats of the era with a word. Most people in that field think those threats are very well-founded. Should Canada take the risk that everything will be fine?

I don't know much about Canada's current plans and how effective they would be.

Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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The most damning thing about this is the Canadian gov would struggle to find 300k people in the rest of the population that it would trust with skilling up in those ways. Federal public servants will be the last bastion of the values they try to force on everyone else. It is in the process of spending vast amounts of money to remove guns from legal gun owners that are subject to absolutely amazing amounts of oversigh…

I don't think this is true. It's just much easier to bring in people when you have access to them to ask directly, basically.

In my short experience in public service, I met a great number of people who were not in lockstep with the so-called "values they try to force" (i.e. the political plans of the current government), so it seems they're not doing a great job of "forcing" those values if that's the plan.

Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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I resent the implication that us being separate countries is a "historical quirk." It's condescending at best and exemplifies why we feel increasingly distant from the US. It's like saying that Belgium and the Netherlands, or Spain and Portugal, or Germany and Switzerland are one historical quirk away from being the same countries.

It also reprises one of Russia's claims to Ukraine, and that of many other expansionist dictators through history.

Maybe the US should be part of Canada?

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