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BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by constantcrying »

embedding-shape wrote: post #2

I've been eyeing the Touring edition of the Seal 6 DM-i ( https://www.byd.com/eu/hybrid-cars/seal-6-dm-i-touring ), which supposedly gets up to ~1300KM on one tank. I've test driven it, feels nice and not as plasticky as I thought it would be, but I'm not entirely convinced it'll actually be able to do the distance as marketed. By any chance, have anyone already gotten it themselves and could share their experience,…

WLTP has absolutely nothing to do with real range. It is a totally artificial test scenario, which aims to give comparability and has no connection to any real world ranges.

No, it will not go 1300km, neither will any other vehicle reach its WLTP range during normal usage.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by epolanski »

scraptor wrote: post #10
mahmoudhossam wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to expand on why VW and Stellantis are going to dominate the EV market?

The government will keep changing the rules until VW wins. Using tariffs, price floors, subsidies, whatever it takes.

European and national politics have been anything but kind to European automakers for quite some time.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by constantcrying »

epolanski wrote: post #4

They make good cars, they deserve to sell. But imho the king of EVs in Europe by the end of the decade are going to be Volkswagen and Stellantis. No foreign car company really stands a chance in the European market imho (besides Toyota of course).

Why Stellantis? They are in far worse shape than the competition, their strategy of having one car which is available as ICE and EV seems doomed to failure and their ties to the US will greatly weaken them, as the markets seem to diverge rapidly. Developing ICE only for the US with no ability to sell them in Europe seems dubious, at the same time they can not abandon the US or only sell EVs there.

Renault has actually better products than Stellantis and far fewer of the problems.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by [deleted] »

epolanski wrote: post #8
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ve both had a huge window to win the future of the European car market (EVs) and failed to do so. They’re facing the classic innovator’s dilemma. It will be incredibly difficult for them to build great EVs while the bulk of the money they make is through selling ICE vehicles, and more importantly, they’re culturally ICE prioritizing companies.

VW is the sales leader in EVs in Europe, they don't need to win the future, they are already winning the present. Also, VW sold half a million EVs in H1 2025, Tesla sold 730k, so even globally they are closer than you think and VW will likely pass Tesla at current growth rates by halfway 2027. Also, FYI, Europeans haven't been building ICEs for some time. The last (non sports car) serious ICE developed in Europe was…

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Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by embedding-shape »

constantcrying wrote: post #11
embedding-shape wrote: post #2

I've been eyeing the Touring edition of the Seal 6 DM-i ( https://www.byd.com/eu/hybrid-cars/seal-6-dm-i-touring ), which supposedly gets up to ~1300KM on one tank. I've test driven it, feels nice and not as plasticky as I thought it would be, but I'm not entirely convinced it'll actually be able to do the distance as marketed. By any chance, have anyone already gotten it themselves and could share their experience,…

WLTP has absolutely nothing to do with real range. It is a totally artificial test scenario, which aims to give comparability and has no connection to any real world ranges. No, it will not go 1300km, neither will any other vehicle reach its WLTP range during normal usage.

Other reviews on YouTube seems to give it around ~1000km at least, none of them say/indicate they're sponsored, but looking for someone with real experience here. I realize a single benchmark doesn't represent 100% real world usage.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by breve »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #6
epolanski wrote: post #4

They make good cars, they deserve to sell. But imho the king of EVs in Europe by the end of the decade are going to be Volkswagen and Stellantis. No foreign car company really stands a chance in the European market imho (besides Toyota of course).

They’ve both had a huge window to win the future of the European car market (EVs) and failed to do so. They’re facing the classic innovator’s dilemma. It will be incredibly difficult for them to build great EVs while the bulk of the money they make is through selling ICE vehicles, and more importantly, they’re culturally ICE prioritizing companies.

> They’ve both had a huge window to win the future of the European car market (EVs) and failed to do so

Volkswagen sells the most EVs in Europe. In fact, Volkswagen's EV market share in Europe is currently the highest it's ever been:

https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Line/All-time-by-Q...

Volkswagen owns many brands (VW, Audi, Porsche, Skoda, Cupra, etc.). Their sales are split across many brands and models.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by constantcrying »

embedding-shape wrote: post #15
constantcrying wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WLTP has absolutely nothing to do with real range. It is a totally artificial test scenario, which aims to give comparability and has no connection to any real world ranges. No, it will not go 1300km, neither will any other vehicle reach its WLTP range during normal usage.

Other reviews on YouTube seems to give it around ~1000km at least, none of them say/indicate they're sponsored, but looking for someone with real experience here. I realize a single benchmark doesn't represent 100% real world usage.

I was answering the question you had about the marketed range. The answer is "no", it will never make 1300km during regular usage.

It is also pointless to ask people about their experience, as the range is extremely dependent on usage habits and location. The experience of other people is worthless unless they closely coincidence with your personal circumstances.

What you should do is compare the 1300km of WLTP range to your current cars WLTP range. That will give you an accurate estimate what 1300km WLTP will mean for you.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

breve wrote: post #16
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ve both had a huge window to win the future of the European car market (EVs) and failed to do so. They’re facing the classic innovator’s dilemma. It will be incredibly difficult for them to build great EVs while the bulk of the money they make is through selling ICE vehicles, and more importantly, they’re culturally ICE prioritizing companies.

> They’ve both had a huge window to win the future of the European car market (EVs) and failed to do so Volkswagen sells the most EVs in Europe. In fact, Volkswagen's EV market share in Europe is currently the highest it's ever been: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Line/All-time-by-Q... Volkswagen owns many brands (VW, Audi, Porsche, Skoda, Cupra, etc.). Their sales are split across many brands and models.

Thanks. I didn’t realize the Volkswagen family of brands was so large.

I was thinking specifically about the VW brand itself.

Re: BYD Pulls Ahead of Tesla in UK, Closes Sales Gap in Germany

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

epolanski wrote: post #8
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ve both had a huge window to win the future of the European car market (EVs) and failed to do so. They’re facing the classic innovator’s dilemma. It will be incredibly difficult for them to build great EVs while the bulk of the money they make is through selling ICE vehicles, and more importantly, they’re culturally ICE prioritizing companies.

VW is the sales leader in EVs in Europe, they don't need to win the future, they are already winning the present. Also, VW sold half a million EVs in H1 2025, Tesla sold 730k, so even globally they are closer than you think and VW will likely pass Tesla at current growth rates by halfway 2027. Also, FYI, Europeans haven't been building ICEs for some time. The last (non sports car) serious ICE developed in Europe was…

Thanks for the details and corrections!
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