Kind of blows my mind how primitive this whole system still is. Audio quality is really bad. They're sending instructions by voice. The way they know who is speaking is by just saying their callsign with every message. There's got to be a better solution surely?
I think that the audio we are listening too is from some ground recording station that isn't necessarily near the airport. We aren't listening to a recording of what the pilots heard or what air traffic control hears.
Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]
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Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the most reliable situation you can think of that will never fail and drive better audio quality? This is a field where they need more .9999s than Amazon.
Unintelligible audio is a failure mode.
Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]
#13The audio does an excellent job of showing a layperson how difficult it is to interpret and who's going wear based on sound, and then I had to go back through the video to see the turn.
These people aren't being paid to do this right now? Is that right? I'm not American, but that's what I've heard.
Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]
#14Kind of blows my mind how primitive this whole system still is. Audio quality is really bad. They're sending instructions by voice. The way they know who is speaking is by just saying their callsign with every message. There's got to be a better solution surely?
Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unintelligible audio is a failure mode.
Seems to work pretty well most of the time w/ souls involved. Works better than most websites on hard lines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDqZy4deDI
JFK controller tries to communicate with Air China 981
Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]
#16Is this significantly different from the near mid-air collisions that happen on a regular basis? The audio does an excellent job of showing a layperson how difficult it is to interpret and who's going wear based on sound, and then I had to go back through the video to see the turn. These people aren't being paid to do this right now? Is that right? I'm not American, but that's what I've heard.
Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]
#17Is this significantly different from the near mid-air collisions that happen on a regular basis? The audio does an excellent job of showing a layperson how difficult it is to interpret and who's going wear based on sound, and then I had to go back through the video to see the turn. These people aren't being paid to do this right now? Is that right? I'm not American, but that's what I've heard.
[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/07/travel/shutdown-air-traff....
[2]: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/20/us/politics/shutdown-air-....
[3]: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/28/air-traffic-...
Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems to work pretty well most of the time w/ souls involved. Works better than most websites on hard lines.
The canonical counter-example against voice/audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDqZy4deDI JFK controller tries to communicate with Air China 981
Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]
#19Kind of blows my mind how primitive this whole system still is. Audio quality is really bad. They're sending instructions by voice. The way they know who is speaking is by just saying their callsign with every message. There's got to be a better solution surely?
I think that the audio we are listening too is from some ground recording station that isn't necessarily near the airport. We aren't listening to a recording of what the pilots heard or what air traffic control hears.
Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
The canonical counter-example against voice/audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDqZy4deDI JFK controller tries to communicate with Air China 981
You mean a situation where a pilot who is supposed to know English in the parlance of global aviation lingo seems to be playing dumb?