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Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]

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Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]

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Kind of blows my mind how primitive this whole system still is. Audio quality is really bad. They're sending instructions by voice. The way they know who is speaking is by just saying their callsign with every message. There's got to be a better solution surely?

I think that the audio we are listening too is from some ground recording station that isn't necessarily near the airport. We aren't listening to a recording of what the pilots heard or what air traffic control hears.

This is one of the highest quality recordings of such traffic that I have heard. They are usually a lot worse.

Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the most reliable situation you can think of that will never fail and drive better audio quality? This is a field where they need more .9999s than Amazon.

Unintelligible audio is a failure mode.

Seems to work pretty well most of the time w/ souls involved. Works better than most websites on hard lines.

Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]

#13
Is this significantly different from the near mid-air collisions that happen on a regular basis?

The audio does an excellent job of showing a layperson how difficult it is to interpret and who's going wear based on sound, and then I had to go back through the video to see the turn.

These people aren't being paid to do this right now? Is that right? I'm not American, but that's what I've heard.

Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]

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post #7

Kind of blows my mind how primitive this whole system still is. Audio quality is really bad. They're sending instructions by voice. The way they know who is speaking is by just saying their callsign with every message. There's got to be a better solution surely?

It has to do with how ATC needs to be able to communicate with all planes in the air, even ones built 100 years ago. They have to use radio so everyone can hear everyone else. There’s no other technology that is as ubiquitous as radio, so they have to work with what they’ve got. Upgrading to other stuff would be an absolute nightmare, though they are making progress on less critical fronts.

Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unintelligible audio is a failure mode.

Seems to work pretty well most of the time w/ souls involved. Works better than most websites on hard lines.

The canonical counter-example against voice/audio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDqZy4deDI

JFK controller tries to communicate with Air China 981

Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]

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Is this significantly different from the near mid-air collisions that happen on a regular basis? The audio does an excellent job of showing a layperson how difficult it is to interpret and who's going wear based on sound, and then I had to go back through the video to see the turn. These people aren't being paid to do this right now? Is that right? I'm not American, but that's what I've heard.

Yeah. It's a super stressful job that doesn't pay well normally and now these people are having to drive Uber on the side to pay their mortgages and put food on the table. I'm definitely not flying until this is sorted out.

Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]

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Is this significantly different from the near mid-air collisions that happen on a regular basis? The audio does an excellent job of showing a layperson how difficult it is to interpret and who's going wear based on sound, and then I had to go back through the video to see the turn. These people aren't being paid to do this right now? Is that right? I'm not American, but that's what I've heard.

I can't speak to the first question, but as to the second, correct, US air traffic controllers are not currently being paid.

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/07/travel/shutdown-air-traff....

[2]: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/20/us/politics/shutdown-air-....

[3]: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/28/air-traffic-...

Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]

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post #15
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to work pretty well most of the time w/ souls involved. Works better than most websites on hard lines.

The canonical counter-example against voice/audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDqZy4deDI JFK controller tries to communicate with Air China 981

You mean a situation where a pilot who is supposed to know English in the parlance of global aviation lingo seems to be playing dumb?

Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]

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post #7

Kind of blows my mind how primitive this whole system still is. Audio quality is really bad. They're sending instructions by voice. The way they know who is speaking is by just saying their callsign with every message. There's got to be a better solution surely?

I think that the audio we are listening too is from some ground recording station that isn't necessarily near the airport. We aren't listening to a recording of what the pilots heard or what air traffic control hears.

Yup. Audio is sourced from volunteers with home radios & antennas. Quality will be dependant on how far the nearest one was from LAX and their personal setup. Not necessarily representative of quality that the controller/pilot was hearing.

Re: Near mid-air collision at LAX between American Airlines and ITA [video]

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post #18
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The canonical counter-example against voice/audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDqZy4deDI JFK controller tries to communicate with Air China 981

You mean a situation where a pilot who is supposed to know English in the parlance of global aviation lingo seems to be playing dumb?

That is a unique thought.
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