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Re: Pomelli

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“Pomelli is desktop only for now. Please switch to a computer to continue.” It would be nice if there was at least a screenshot for mobile users so they could determine if this was actually worth a second visit.

There’s a video right on the landing page that shows it in use. Played fine on mobile for me. But to answer the question, it looks a lot like a Canva competitor.

AI is going to kill Canva, Figma, and Adobe. Without a doubt.

Nano Banana alone obsoleted all of Photoshop. (And the Chinese versions of Nano Banana are even better!)

I'm most worried for my friends in creative though. I have some extremely talented friends at WPP and other agencies. Everyone is shaking in their boots.

Nobody's buying ads because of the economy, then these tools are nipping at their heels. They've already had one massive round of layoffs, and there's another one supposedly happening early next year.

Where are these millions of people going to go? These are six figure income earners.

There are five million marketing professionals in the US. If half of them lose their jobs, then what? What's lined up for them after this?

If AI fails, the economy goes boom.

If AI succeeds, the economy goes ... bigger boom?

I used to think the tools would wind up creating more work, especially in narrative creative work. Outside of A24 and indie/foreign films, Hollywood is so trite. These models drop Pixar/Disney VFX into the hands of every YouTuber - and that could be really cool when used by the right people. Like the Corridor Crew folks.

Maybe gaming and media will see a boost, but advertising and marketing folks are really going to get hit hard.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a video right on the landing page that shows it in use. Played fine on mobile for me. But to answer the question, it looks a lot like a Canva competitor.

AI is going to kill Canva, Figma, and Adobe. Without a doubt. Nano Banana alone obsoleted all of Photoshop. (And the Chinese versions of Nano Banana are even better!) I'm most worried for my friends in creative though. I have some extremely talented friends at WPP and other agencies. Everyone is shaking in their boots. Nobody's buying ads because of the economy, then these tools are nipping at their heels. They've al…

The reason most creative media is good is because you see the vision of a creative team or individual.

If the vision is diluted due to lack of control afforded by AI tools, then the tools won’t be used.

Many times in Hollywood have we seen directors spend unjustifiable amounts of money in the pursuit of creative control.

Hand camera tracking a dinosaur in Jurassic Park, developing a novel diffraction algorithm for THE ABYSS, hand-drawing 3-Dimensional computer animations for 2001, creating an entire scale model practically for a single fight scene in LOTR.

AI allows you to get anything. The best movies are a direct reflection of a particular vision. AI can’t provide this and I see no way to solve it.

A natural response is - well directors already outsource some creative control to VFX artists so why not to a machine instead.

Because an artist can control everything. Even if the artist is prompting a model, at the end of the day an artist can drill right down to the tooling itself (photoshop for example) and exactly achieve the vision.

I don’t see AI achieving this granularity while maintaining its utility. It’s a sliding scale of trading utility as a time saving device for control.

If you lean too far to the control side, well you might as well fire up photoshop. If you lean too much to the utility side, you sacrifice creative control.

When looked at under this lens the utility of AI generation is actually limited as it solves a non existent problem. One can think of it as an additional piece of tooling for use only as a generational tool where there is less need for control, such as for background characters.

The team at Red Barrels, for example, train a local model on their own artwork to automatically generate variant textures for map generation. Things such as this. No need to be doom and gloom about this stuff.

Re: Pomelli

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Link goes to a page with a minimal hint and a video. Their blog post has some detail: https://blog.google/technology/google-labs/pomelli/ Kagi said the "Key features and functionalities of Pomelli include: Content Generation: Pomelli can generate various marketing assets such as social posts and ad creatives by analyzing a company's website to understand its brand identity Brand DNA: The tool builds a "Business DNA"…

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From your Twitter:

> founder @orshotapp

Maybe you should mention that when advertising your app?

Re: Pomelli

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a video right on the landing page that shows it in use. Played fine on mobile for me. But to answer the question, it looks a lot like a Canva competitor.

AI is going to kill Canva, Figma, and Adobe. Without a doubt. Nano Banana alone obsoleted all of Photoshop. (And the Chinese versions of Nano Banana are even better!) I'm most worried for my friends in creative though. I have some extremely talented friends at WPP and other agencies. Everyone is shaking in their boots. Nobody's buying ads because of the economy, then these tools are nipping at their heels. They've al…

> and Adobe

Have you seen their announcements during Adobe Max? The AI features are mind blowing. Adobe is alive and well.

Re: Pomelli

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Link goes to a page with a minimal hint and a video. Their blog post has some detail: https://blog.google/technology/google-labs/pomelli/ Kagi said the "Key features and functionalities of Pomelli include: Content Generation: Pomelli can generate various marketing assets such as social posts and ad creatives by analyzing a company's website to understand its brand identity Brand DNA: The tool builds a "Business DNA"…

I've heard of a little cost cutting at Canva. Some point to a possible IPO next year. But also I wonder if AI generally and products like this are causing increased competition.

Re: Pomelli

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Suspicious-me is wondering how Google are going to treat AI generated marketing slop created using Pomelli differently to slop created with other tools (or even human created marketing content) in search ranking?

If I were an EvilGoogle manager, I'd have an enshittification playbook complete with a timeline and KPIs/OKRs mapped out - and probably already linked to individual engineer's promotion/RIF futures.

They know exactly who's using this tool and which company they're using it on behalf of.

In the short term I'd have those companies webpages using Pomelli generated content to rank highly, and for advertising on those pages to show higher then usual clickthrough rates - and probably gradually downrank non-Pomelli pages on their sites. Once it becomes well known that Pomelli generated content genuinely generates more revenue that other options (even though that's only because Google have their thumb on the scale), everybody is going to jump on the gravy train, and a sub-industry of Pomelli consultancies/agencies will show up, like specialist SEO firms did way back.

Gradually that new "Pomelli Content Optimisation" will capture a significant-enough slice of the web content generation pie, and Google will start to sell them "Pro" subscriptions and features, while at the same time reducing functionality and effectiveness of the tools individuals and end-user companies have access to - driving even more revenue into the PCO industry.

Eventually, when enough companies are fundamentally reliant on external PCO vendors, Google will ramp up the pricing of their tools.

(With any luck AGI will have turned us all into paperclips before that runbook plays out.)

Re: Pomelli

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Link goes to a page with a minimal hint and a video. Their blog post has some detail: https://blog.google/technology/google-labs/pomelli/ Kagi said the "Key features and functionalities of Pomelli include: Content Generation: Pomelli can generate various marketing assets such as social posts and ad creatives by analyzing a company's website to understand its brand identity Brand DNA: The tool builds a "Business DNA"…

OK, we'll put that link at the top and https://labs.google.com/pomelli/about/ in the toptext. Thanks!

Re: Pomelli

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Dare I ask: who owns the IP to all the generated content? User? Google? Some complex arrangement governed by a 20-page ToS?

AFAIK and this may have changed, but at least in the US, AI-generated content is not copyrightable so it's effectively public-domain.
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