Their revenue in the entire first half per the article was $4.3B, even if we assume it was backloaded in Q2 that’s a -500% profit margin. I’m very excited to review their S-1. Like, for every dollar you give them they spend $5 to deliver the product. They’re selling $10 bills for $2. They seem to have taken the joke about making up losses with scale pretty seriously.
What Theo claims on YouTube is that each model they make is profitable over its lifetime and the weird numbers for the company are because they keep training more models, having to pay up front to buy a bunch of future profit each time basically
Microsoft seemingly just revealed that OpenAI lost $11.5B last quarter
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Re: Microsoft seemingly just revealed that OpenAI lost $11.5B last quarter
#12Their revenue in the entire first half per the article was $4.3B, even if we assume it was backloaded in Q2 that’s a -500% profit margin. I’m very excited to review their S-1. Like, for every dollar you give them they spend $5 to deliver the product. They’re selling $10 bills for $2. They seem to have taken the joke about making up losses with scale pretty seriously.
What Theo claims on YouTube is that each model they make is profitable over its lifetime and the weird numbers for the company are because they keep training more models, having to pay up front to buy a bunch of future profit each time basically
Re: Microsoft seemingly just revealed that OpenAI lost $11.5B last quarter
#13Their revenue in the entire first half per the article was $4.3B, even if we assume it was backloaded in Q2 that’s a -500% profit margin. I’m very excited to review their S-1. Like, for every dollar you give them they spend $5 to deliver the product. They’re selling $10 bills for $2. They seem to have taken the joke about making up losses with scale pretty seriously.
Well, it would be useful before concluding this to see a breakdown between OpEx, CapEx, and R&D.
Re: Microsoft seemingly just revealed that OpenAI lost $11.5B last quarter
#14Contrast this with Google who made $100Bn profit last quarter and on the side has Gemini with 650MAU and does 7B tokens/minute. It makes it clear that neither MS nor OAI know what they are doing.
Alphabet (Google) made $102.35 billion in revenue last quarter, not $100bn in profit.
Re: Microsoft seemingly just revealed that OpenAI lost $11.5B last quarter
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
What Theo claims on YouTube is that each model they make is profitable over its lifetime and the weird numbers for the company are because they keep training more models, having to pay up front to buy a bunch of future profit each time basically
The problem is that OpenAI will have to keep doing this basically indefinitely, as otherwise open-source commodity models will catch up with them and offer an equivalent product at a much lower cost. If the company is reliant on having to keep paying more than it's making on its current model to train new models, I don't see how it can ever become a sustainable business.
The big question for me is if people will ever be happy with a model that is "good enough", and can thus be optimized and run profitably over time without faling behind. Time will tell!
Re: Microsoft seemingly just revealed that OpenAI lost $11.5B last quarter
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#17Contrast this with Google who made $100Bn profit last quarter and on the side has Gemini with 650MAU and does 7B tokens/minute. It makes it clear that neither MS nor OAI know what they are doing.
It's unclear if they even can be, since commodity models you can use for free catch up to them pretty close to yearly.
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#20Their revenue in the entire first half per the article was $4.3B, even if we assume it was backloaded in Q2 that’s a -500% profit margin. I’m very excited to review their S-1. Like, for every dollar you give them they spend $5 to deliver the product. They’re selling $10 bills for $2. They seem to have taken the joke about making up losses with scale pretty seriously.
What Theo claims on YouTube is that each model they make is profitable over its lifetime and the weird numbers for the company are because they keep training more models, having to pay up front to buy a bunch of future profit each time basically
Ofcourse in the 21st century none of this actually matters people just want to buy low sell high.