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OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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TFA:

> OpenAI had spent months making the case that it was the economic heart of the California economy—and would be willing to leave if Bonta blocked its plan to convert to a simpler corporate structure.

https://x.com/sama/status/1983223056668746218:

> California is my home, and I love it here, and when I talked to Attorney General Bonta two weeks ago I made clear that we were not going to do what those other companies do and threaten to leave if sued.

Hmmm...

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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This is kind of a wild story. Sam Altman is openly flexing that he was able to skirt the rules and regulations by threatening economic damage to California. It's not even subtle anymore. This reminds me of when the former CEO of Hyundai, Chung Mong-koo, went to prison for embezzlement. In just 3 years he was pardoned because the President of South Korea basically said, "we need you for the economy." We're not even pr…

This is very cynical, and almost certainly deliberately false take.

Many situations are fundamentally uncertain with respect to laws/rules in place. The idea that they "skirted rules and regulations" is wrong. Did they push in an attempt to get a decision made which would favor them? Sure. But there was a decision to be made.

And, the people are supposed to be in control anyway, not the government.

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

#13

This is kind of a wild story. Sam Altman is openly flexing that he was able to skirt the rules and regulations by threatening economic damage to California. It's not even subtle anymore. This reminds me of when the former CEO of Hyundai, Chung Mong-koo, went to prison for embezzlement. In just 3 years he was pardoned because the President of South Korea basically said, "we need you for the economy." We're not even pr…

Can someone explain to me what Sam Altman is doing to be so far ahead of everyone else in terms of navigating these high stakes roles? This happened at YC and a number of other places too, he goes into situations with nothing and comes out on top despite all odds. Is he that skilled an operator, negotiator, or manipulator or something?

I can only speculate so take it with a spoon of salt... But people who are really good at sussing out other people's wants can find ways to make more people happy. It's like a maze of interests and I guess he's just really motivated and good at navigating and aligning them (at least among the rich and powerful).

He also seems to understand something about power and perception, in that he takes calculated risks that seem to keep working out.

So in other words, he seems to be an extraordinarily skillful politician (in both the general and the Patrick Lencioni sense).

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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post #11

TFA: > OpenAI had spent months making the case that it was the economic heart of the California economy—and would be willing to leave if Bonta blocked its plan to convert to a simpler corporate structure. https://x.com/sama/status/1983223056668746218 : > California is my home, and I love it here, and when I talked to Attorney General Bonta two weeks ago I made clear that we were not going to do what those other compa…

> if Bonta blocked its plan to convert to a simpler corporate structure.

i'm a bit out of the loop but honestly why does California have a say? surely the investor base and Microsoft was a far harder negotiation than this one. this one smells of govt overreach.

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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This is kind of a wild story. Sam Altman is openly flexing that he was able to skirt the rules and regulations by threatening economic damage to California. It's not even subtle anymore. This reminds me of when the former CEO of Hyundai, Chung Mong-koo, went to prison for embezzlement. In just 3 years he was pardoned because the President of South Korea basically said, "we need you for the economy." We're not even pr…

> threatening economic damage to California.

whoa there. corporations have the right to move to the best location for them. California does not have the eternal right to OpenAI's taxes and employee base. think about what you're implicitly assuming here. if one company simply leaving causes concerning "damage" then perhaps it is the government that is the problem, not the corporation driving economic growth.

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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post #11

TFA: > OpenAI had spent months making the case that it was the economic heart of the California economy—and would be willing to leave if Bonta blocked its plan to convert to a simpler corporate structure. https://x.com/sama/status/1983223056668746218 : > California is my home, and I love it here, and when I talked to Attorney General Bonta two weeks ago I made clear that we were not going to do what those other compa…

> if Bonta blocked its plan to convert to a simpler corporate structure. i'm a bit out of the loop but honestly why does California have a say? surely the investor base and Microsoft was a far harder negotiation than this one. this one smells of govt overreach.

Corporations exist at the pleasure of government do they not? They are not some naturally-existing thing.

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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This is kind of a wild story. Sam Altman is openly flexing that he was able to skirt the rules and regulations by threatening economic damage to California. It's not even subtle anymore. This reminds me of when the former CEO of Hyundai, Chung Mong-koo, went to prison for embezzlement. In just 3 years he was pardoned because the President of South Korea basically said, "we need you for the economy." We're not even pr…

The government believed him that OpenAI will stay in CA the same way that that government, OpenAI founders and others believed that OpenAI will be non-profit.

I think here is the answer to another commenter's question about success - it looks like great success comes to one who is able to recognize in time when old obligations become "obsolete" and thus drop them well before those obligations start to block or heavily tax the way to further success.

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you and I hope you are right. >Offload a massive illiquid investment onto the public Because this state seems like a very solvable problem: All you have to is not buy it

ETFs like VOO will buy it eventually. It started me wondering if theres an ETF that explicitly avoids the top 20 companies

XMGA

Re: OpenAI’s promise to stay in California helped clear the path for its IPO

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How can a non-profit IPO? I know that technically OpenAI is a for-profit company that is owned by a non-profit, but I still don't get it.

you can IPO the for-profit subsidiary. done before. the main tricky part is resolving the tax issues since as a non profit you are exempt, but obviously a for profit is not exempt from paying taxes
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